River Silence Stunning

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The construction of a wastewater treatment plant to handle 45,000 customers costs about $40,000,000.00 (so says Tacoma Washington).  I assume the one at I-44 is larger in capacity than that, probably at least twice that.

So we are talking about an expense that could easily develop the East End in its entirety, finance the construction of a 4 year public university, complete the Highway 11 loop, build free public parking downtown, give $5,000 scholarships to every high schooler in Tulsa (interesting list of high schools in Tulsa with enrollment - nearly 20,000 kids: http://www.greatschools.net/schools.page?state=OK&city=Tulsa&lc=h&showall=true), or fund any number of other projects...  its just a lot of money. Hell, it very well could be half an arena.

I imagine we could somehow cap the facility or SOMETHING without throwing away tens of millions in infrastructure.  Not to mention NIMBY... where we build the new one?  Keeping in mind that it costs millions of dollars more the further away you move it from the main lines, the users, and the discharge site.  Dont mean to rain on the parade here or anything... but these are serious problems.

The settling ponds could be addressed for a dismal fraction of that cost.

[RecycleMichael]

The southside treatment plant on riverside handles about 38% of Tulsa's wastewater needs.

Here is a link...http://www.e-tulsa.net/watered/wastewater/index.html

[inteller]

"Odiferous Fequency Contours"

what kind of pseudo GIS bull**** is this?  Post your model buddy...post your model.  Otherwise the bull**** flag is raised and flying high.  I wont deny there is a problem, but I wont get behind bull**** "science" to support it.

Until then you are the turd.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

"Odiferous Fequency Contours"

what kind of pseudo GIS bull**** is this?  Post your model buddy...post your model.  Otherwise the bull**** flag is raised and flying high.  I wont deny there is a problem, but I wont get behind bull**** "science" to support it.

Until then you are the turd.

http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1170&Itemid=2

[waterboy]

A prudent business understands that its capital assets will need to be replaced in time. Thats why the tax people allow depreciation. It also allows new technology to increase productivity with the new investment. So doesn't a prudent government plan for the replacement of its utilities?

Are we expected to continue using a facility that was built back in the late fifties using WWII technology forever? Has no money been set aside for its replacement? If so then it needs to be moved or re-routed to face the reality of development in the area. If not then lets find a way to do it.

Just saying its expensive means nothing will ever be done. Oh, wait a minute...thats whats happened here for the last 50years.

[RecycleMichael]

I got a real chuckle out of the writer's qualifications.

Once employed by PennWell Publishing in Tulsa as founding online editor of Water World, a publication for professionals in the municipal water and wastewater industry, I have toured all the Tulsa facilities.

That makes him qualified to explain to the engineers how things really work. I guess editing stories and touring plants makes one an expert.

I also like this qualifying sentence fragment...Sources within the wastewater industry believe and this one...Independent industry officials note and this one...One expert suggested...

Who are these sources? He doesn't say, but we are supposed to take his word that these aren't just made up sources. Not one single source in his story. Not one.

This is a hatchet job by a blogger who writes about himself in every story then calls himself a publisher and his blog "a news service".

The facts are that the plant is heavily regulated and in complete compliance.

The facts are that poop smells and when every home on the east bank all the way to 51st and Memorial flush the toilets and it has to go somewhere on the river.

The facts are that this whole story has no credibility because the source has no credibility.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

The construction of a wastewater treatment plant to handle 45,000 customers costs about $40,000,000.00 (so says Tacoma Washington).  I assume the one at I-44 is larger in capacity than that, probably at least twice that.

So we are talking about an expense that could easily develop the East End in its entirety, finance the construction of a 4 year public university, complete the Highway 11 loop, build free public parking downtown, give $5,000 scholarships to every high schooler in Tulsa (interesting list of high schools in Tulsa with enrollment - nearly 20,000 kids: http://www.greatschools.net/schools.page?state=OK&city=Tulsa&lc=h&showall=true), or fund any number of other projects...  its just a lot of money. Hell, it very well could be half an arena.

I imagine we could somehow cap the facility or SOMETHING without throwing away tens of millions in infrastructure.  Not to mention NIMBY... where we build the new one?  Keeping in mind that it costs millions of dollars more the further away you move it from the main lines, the users, and the discharge site.  Dont mean to rain on the parade here or anything... but these are serious problems.

I hardly think a measly 40mill could develop the East End. Unless your thinking of filling it with cheap junk.  Many universities get 100mill 500mill to billion dollar gifts from individuals to expand their universities.  Its a small town mindset that thinks 40 mill is big money in respect to those types of developments.  No wonder we don't get anywhere if some people think that. One of OKCs suburbs is getting a new lifestyle center estimated to cost 600-800million dollars. Yet we can develop the East End or build a new University with a measly 40 mill?

[inteller]

i still want to know how the "odiferous frequency contours" were calculated.

****ing hack.

[rwarn17588]

My wife was at a party a couple of years ago and met one of the bigwigs at the sewer plant (and no, I don't remember his name). He told her that the sewer plant was designed with certain water dilution in mind.

But with the advent of low-flow shower heads and low-flow toilets, less water is going through the sewer plant that would dilute the sewage and, thus, the smell.

I may have missed some of the finer points of my wife's conversation, but I think I got the gist of it. It's nice that Tulsa is using less a fairly valuable resource like water (especially with the drought of the last two years). But there was an unintended consequence.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I got a real chuckle out of the writer's qualifications.

The facts are that this whole story has no credibility because the source has no credibility.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I got a real chuckle out of the writer's qualifications.

The facts are that this whole story has no credibility because the source has no credibility.

That is really helpful to the discussion.

[rwarn17588]

So discuss.

[MichaelC]

Treatment plant stink.  

I'm against it.

[tim huntzinger]

Ima gin it.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Ima gin it.

Can we ship it to Utah? They could inject it into deep wells.