Sen. Clinton stakes socialist claim to profits

[iplaw]

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Nope. Wrong again. Not over my head.

That's comforting reassurance of your position...do you own cats?

[tim huntzinger]

So Williams Companies lost billions during the Bush Admin's persecution and that is ok with you?  Two people (you say) did wrong so that is ok that the whole company is punished?

This is a philosophical difference.  I think our elected officials should have stepped up and expressed confidence in Williams.  Some here think that Inhofe and crew sitting on their cowardly hands was the way to go.

[iplaw]

We've all asked multiple times for evidence to back up your assertions and you refuse to provide anything.  Without actual evidence your just a crackpot...

You know, there is a bigfoot thread that needs some attention.

[Hometown]

Cannon Fodder, the energy you put into your posts is incredible.  You are very talented, but....  Hey I just want to say.  You don't get civic responsibility.  You don't understand the shared cost of living in a civilized community.  You really hate the New Deal and you're ready to roll back the clock to life before Social Security.  But nothing worth having is cheap and you can't justify shifting your share of the burden.  

Good work Tim.  

Ippy, who does that hair?

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

We've all asked multiple times for evidence to back up your assertions and you refuse to provide anything.  Without actual evidence your just a crackpot...

Look IP, you do not even understand how a Federal investigation would affect investor confidence and the stock price of a corporation.  I suggest that someone create a user name of REALITY and then you and Kurt can hit the 'ignore' button.

Thanks, Homeskillet!

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

We've all asked multiple times for evidence to back up your assertions and you refuse to provide anything.  Without actual evidence your just a crackpot...

Look IP, you do not even understand how a Federal investigation would affect investor confidence and the stock price of a corporation.  I suggest that someone create a user name of REALITY and then you and Kurt can hit the 'ignore' button.

Thanks, Homeskillet!

Ladies and gentlement...I present to you Altruismsuffers part Deux.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

We've all asked multiple times for evidence to back up your assertions and you refuse to provide anything.  Without actual evidence your just a crackpot...

Look IP, you do not even understand how a Federal investigation would affect investor confidence and the stock price of a corporation.  I suggest that someone create a user name of REALITY and then you and Kurt can hit the 'ignore' button.

Thanks, Homeskillet!

Ladies and gentlement...I present to you Altruismsuffers part Deux.

Well no sh!t investigations hurt investor confidence.  I bet that was a great epiphany for Timmy.  If companies are going about business honestly, they don't get an anal probe by FERC, SEC, FBI, et. al. ad nauseum.  By that logic, should Bill Bartmann and Jay Jones have been allowed to keep up an on-going criminal ponzi scheme just so 3700 jobs could be saved at CFS?  Man, Clinton was just too hard on CFS!

Williams and Enron were engaging in on-going un-ethical and ostensibly illegal manipulation of energy prices to bolster their profits at the expense of the rate payer and state and local governments.

[tim huntzinger]

Williams and Enron were engaging in on-going un-ethical and ostensibly illegal manipulation of energy prices to bolster their profits at the expense of the rate payer and state and local governments.


Hear that, CF? The alleged actions of two employees means that the evisceration of billions of rightfully earned dollars should be confiscated!  Socialists!

Well, Kurt, I am sorry you do not understand why Tulsans would be disappointed in their elected, 'pro-energy' officials.  I am sorry that you would rather attack Williams than defend the notion that gubmint human service programs for the poor is not socialist, but 100% Mercan.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Cannon Fodder, the energy you put into your posts is incredible.  You are very talented, but....  Hey I just want to say.  You don't get civic responsibility.  You don't understand the shared cost of living in a civilized community.  You really hate the New Deal and you're ready to roll back the clock to life before Social Security.  But nothing worth having is cheap and you can't justify shifting your share of the burden.  

Good work Tim.  

Ippy, who does that hair?

HT- against my better judgement I'm going to try to educate the die-hard liberal out of you.

You obviously don't get the concept of success and being able to do as you see fit with the rewards of your success.

I assure you Exxon-Mobil knows better how to reinvest it's money instead of the government re-investing it for them.  With that money, they will:

1) Upgrade drilling and refinery equipment which creates jobs- many pieces of that equipment are made in the Tulsa area- BTW

2) Invest in on-going exploration opportunties which creates more jobs and need for more equipment (see #1)

3) Invest in emerging technology by helping to start businesses which can improve their operations.

4) They know fossil fuels have limited reserves and will spend money to employ more people to research and develop efficient means of bringing rapidly renewable fuels to market.

5) Keep a cash reserve on hand to make payroll when the enevitable next down-swing in the petroleum market hits, thereby saving jobs.

These all create new streams of taxable revenue from the corporate level of various companies all the way down to the guy sweeping the shop floor in west Tulsa.  A concept that Ms. Clinton and her followers don't seem to get.  The oil companies are already remitting record tax revenues on local, state and federal levels.

Anyone who says there has been no growth or investment in alternative fuels during the Bush administration obviously is not reading the business pages.  Scores of new bio-diesel and ethanol plants have been and are being built- all with trickle-down effects througout various industries.  This is already being incubated with plenty of tax payer money.  By many accounts there are already more plants than market demand for these products.  Therefore there are very good government subsidies being doled out to agri-producers and refiners.

Here is what you get when government reinvests corporate and personal taxes:

1) Innefficient bureaucracies with select high paying jobs, but mainly low level, low paying clerk positions which bottleneck and flat-out inhibit new business start-ups and growth, unlike private investment.

2) More worthless social assistance programs which promote laziness and dependence on the government and which do not advocate individual productivity and responsibility.

3) Personal paradigms of politicians that direct where money gets spent, instead of what is really the best and most efficient way to invest money.  Most of those paradigms are based on influence from lobbyists and campaign contributors who have their own interests at heart.

Social responsibility with a reasonible tax rate to support necessary government functions is one thing.  Creating a new confiscatory tax because an enterprise is too successful is punitive.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger


Williams and Enron were engaging in on-going un-ethical and ostensibly illegal manipulation of energy prices to bolster their profits at the expense of the rate payer and state and local governments.


Hear that, CF? The alleged actions of two employees means that the evisceration of billions of rightfully earned dollars should be confiscated!  Socialists!

Well, Kurt, I am sorry you do not understand why Tulsans would be disappointed in their elected, 'pro-energy' officials.  I am sorry that you would rather attack Williams than defend the notion that gubmint human service programs for the poor is not socialist, but 100% Mercan.

Keep at it Timmy, the hole you're diggin' will be big enough for you to bury yourself in very soon.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger


Williams and Enron were engaging in on-going un-ethical and ostensibly illegal manipulation of energy prices to bolster their profits at the expense of the rate payer and state and local governments.


Hear that, CF? The alleged actions of two employees means that the evisceration of billions of rightfully earned dollars should be confiscated!  Socialists!

Well, Kurt, I am sorry you do not understand why Tulsans would be disappointed in their elected, 'pro-energy' officials.  I am sorry that you would rather attack Williams than defend the notion that gubmint human service programs for the poor is not socialist, but 100% Mercan.

Keep at it Timmy, the hole you're diggin' will be big enough for you to bury yourself in very soon.

You are bizarre, and not in a good way.  You are bizarre in a creepy sort of way.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

Hear that, CF? The alleged actions of two employees means that the evisceration of billions of rightfully earned dollars should be confiscated!  Socialists!

Okay, brainicac, care to delineate how that sounds any different than the downfall of CFS?  Was Clinton too hard on them?  Should they have been allowed to continue to poke the pooch at the expense of pension plans and individual working-schmoe investors?

The way Enron and Williams were trading energy and manipulating the markets was nothing more than a house made of cards.

Are you an advocate for corporate fraud?

[tim huntzinger]

You socialist, Kurt! By your own admission only two traders allegedly did something wrong (what is the crime) but the whole Williams Cos should be punished? Socialist!

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

You socialist, Kurt! By your own admission only two traders allegedly did something wrong (what is the crime) but the whole Williams Cos should be punished? Socialist!

It's amazing to me that some people like can even tie their own shoes without help, of course I'm assuming alot here...

[tim huntzinger]

Originally posted by iplaw I am a troll.  I am so inherently offensive and stoopid that I have a thread dedicated to my ignorance.  I am a bizarre whack-job!

Amen!