Brady Village Infill Plan

[TheArtist]

"OSU-Tulsa President Dr. Gary Trennepohl sees a need for more housing near the campus.

"As we get that engineering building and are recruiting students from all over the world, it's a lot better to recruit people if we have campus housing," Trennepohl says."


Can anyone explain to me how having this gated community equals campus housing for students? I thought they were going to be building student housing on campus?  

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

NCTulsan:

Per my post above, would you move into that area and pay over $100,000 for a house if it wasnt in a gated community?  I probably wouldnt, nor would I feel comfortable with my kid in a park in the areas nearby.

The developer has to give the people what they want, and security is MANDATORY when buying a new house.  It is apparent the city cannot or will not keep vandalism and other crime down in that area nor is it willing to put in any public amenities.   Why arent you damn glad that someone else is willing to do it?

Are there any new houses anywhere in Tulsa for under a 100,000$ ?

[Double A]

I know someone who bought a house overlooking the river for about 40 grand. They plan to put about 50 grand into renovations and plenty of sweat equity so there's a newly renovated bungalow on the banks of the Arkansas for about 90 grand(I know it's not really new construction). Lots of homes in this area are going for about that price

[cannon_fodder]

1)  I dont think there are many new houses anywhere in the country for under $100,000.

2) While people continue to moan about the gated community, no one has addressed my points in that regard.  How do you start getting quality residents in the damn Ghetto?  You cant just plop down a new house and say enjoy the drug dealers, running gang battles, and non-existent parks - that's $100,000 please.

So you have to start somewhere.  A gate community will get middle class people with money and influence in an area that needs help.  The other existing alternative is to let the area continue to rot.

I dont think Ive seen a development posted on this forum yet that people like.  Its either horrible because they are tearing down condemned buildings to put it in, it is too new for the area, or Tulsa allow it to move way out South.  How in the hell do you reconcile those positions?  I got news for you, if you wanted to see the Aquarium, Bass Pro, or any other new developments in Tulsa odds area something is going to get torn down.  

Unless you have another way to get the crappier parts of our city livable again and are willing to risk your capital... I dont understand your gripe.

[TheArtist]

^Where?

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

"OSU-Tulsa President Dr. Gary Trennepohl sees a need for more housing near the campus.

"As we get that engineering building and are recruiting students from all over the world, it's a lot better to recruit people if we have campus housing," Trennepohl says."


Can anyone explain to me how having this gated community equals campus housing for students? I thought they were going to be building student housing on campus?  

Just a guess... but I believe there will be a need for faculty housing..

Perhaps that is what he is referring to..?

[sgrizzle]

Reminder - this is tonight

[NCTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

NCTulsan - Are you from North Carolina?

Born in Tulsa.  Lived in Tulsa 1969 - 1987, 1995 - 2000.

[NCTulsan]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

NCTulsan:

Per my post above, would you move into that area and pay over $100,000 for a house if it wasnt in a gated community?  I probably wouldnt, nor would I feel comfortable with my kid in a park in the areas nearby.

The developer has to give the people what they want, and security is MANDATORY when buying a new house.  It is apparent the city cannot or will not keep vandalism and other crime down in that area nor is it willing to put in any public amenities.   Why arent you damn glad that someone else is willing to do it?

I don't know the current housing prices in Tulsa (I've been away for 6 years), so I'm not sure where $100K lies in the Tulsa market.  However, I would buy in that neighborhood in a heartbeat, but not if it were gated.

[cannon_fodder]

Not much has changed in Tulsa in 6 years.  Prices went down, now they are back up.  Low $100,000 buys a decent family home.  This developer built one next to me that is 1650 sq ft.  2 stall, on just over 1/4 acre - $140,000.  3 bedroom, 2 bath, laundry room, dining room, vaulted ceilings, gas fireplace.... nice house imho.

Anyway, I went to look at the Tulsa Crime map (http://www.tulsapolice.org/mapcentral.html) to flame you, but that area actually isnt too bad.  However, the perception is what really matters.  If you cant get people to move in, you cant afford to build 33 homes.  And in fact, within a mile or 2 lie some of the worst crime areas...

Anywho, Im glad someone is building new construction North of I-244.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Not much has changed in Tulsa in 6 years.  Prices went down, now they are back up.  Low $100,000 buys a decent family home.  This developer built one next to me that is 1650 sq ft.  2 stall, on just over 1/4 acre - $140,000.  3 bedroom, 2 bath, laundry room, dining room, vaulted ceilings, gas fireplace.... nice house imho.

Anyway, I went to look at the Tulsa Crime map (http://www.tulsapolice.org/mapcentral.html) to flame you, but that area actually isnt too bad.  However, the perception is what really matters.  If you cant get people to move in, you cant afford to build 33 homes.  And in fact, within a mile or 2 lie some of the worst crime areas...

Anywho, Im glad someone is building new construction North of I-244.

I think it has a great deal to do with the feeder schools for that area. Improving these schools will go a long way towards atracting people to this area. I am looking for a home, these are within a price range I might actually be able to afford. The gates make this development less desirable to me, but I'm probably the exception to the rule. Has there been any effort to keep these homes in the same style and character of surrounding homes in Brady Heights and Owen park or will they look more like part of OSU's campus?

Overall, this sounds like it will be a great development, and I am very encouraged to see some affordable new infill construction finally happening in a neighborhood around downtown.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist

^Where?

Crosbie Heights

[cannon_fodder]

Here is the contact information for the developer:
Oltman Homes, Inc
Attn: Don Oltman
PO Box 471073
Tulsa, OK 74147
918-232-5033
email: oltman@sbcglobal.net

I dont know the answer to the question but I am sure he would be happy to answer an inquiry. Heck, maybe he can even give you a link to the designs or concept at least.  I would be interesting in knowing.

[Rico]

While not directly related to the "Brady Infill".... The following is an excellent newsletter regarding "Riverfront Development" in other parts of the Globe and the USA...

Maybe a portion of the "Comprehensive Plan" could include a jump start for the Riverfront near Downtown........[]



Waterfront Renaissance

[chica]

I want to learn more but unfortunately was not able to attend the meeting.  Can anyone post a brief summary of the take-home message?