Gay practice on television -> gay pride

[iplaw]

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As far as working for the respect of the community at large: Where would the civil rights movement be without forced integration of the school system? If the NAACP had waited for acceptance, they'd still be waiting today. It had to be forced upon the community at large and let them see that it wasn't the end of the world.

Whoa!  That opens up another can of worms I'm definitely not discussing here.  I will say from what I have read, most African Americans are offended at the comparison, but discussing race and sexual orientation in the same thread is just asking for trouble. [/sneaks away]

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

What is it about then?  Isn't it about informing the community, and helping breed tolerance?  If those are the goals, I'd rather not have you on my team if I were them.  It's always laughable when those preaching or begging for tolerance refuse to show it in kind.  The "if you don't like it, then just shut up" attitude gets you nowhere....

Like I said before, it's about basically showcasing the "gay community" (loosely applied) to itself.  It's about support, and spreading recognition throughout the "gay community" that there are gay companies, gay services, gay churches, and other gay people in this city.  And that there are also several PFLAG groups.  If you're gay, in this city, you don't have to hide out just because you might think there's nothing here for you.

On the other hand, if heteros show up great.  If they don't great.  No one is forcing anything on anyone.  They have a right to parade, and festivals.  They exercise that right.

So when I said before, no one cares about your opinion, it's not personal.  I believe that's relatively true.  If you're opposed to what the "gay community" does, currently, I don't think they care.  And they've heard it all before, you're not saying anything new.

[rwarn17588]

Watch the ones who complain too much.

[}:)]

[iplaw]

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So when I said before, no one cares about your opinion, it's not personal. I believe that's relatively true. If you're opposed to what the "gay community" does, currently, I don't think they care. And they've heard it all before, you're not saying anything new.

I think that's a disenguous representation of the gay community and their goals.  I think they deeply care about what society at large thinks, hence the mantra of tolerance from the community...if what we think doesn't matter, then why discuss it at all?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Watch the ones who complain too much.

[}:)]

Cute.  

Do you actually have something to add to the conversation, or would you just like to exit on a high note...I suggest a good fart joke to cap things off.

[rwarn17588]

Watch the ones that get testy, too.

[}:)]

[cannon_fodder]

While I agree that the start of a movement is necessarily radical, I would strongly argue that Dr. King did more for civil rights than the Nation of Islam and the Black Panther's combined.

Not that the parallel is perfect, but you get it.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Watch the ones that get testy, too.

[}:)]

Watch the ones who make double entendres...[]

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

I think that's a disenguous representation of the gay community and their goals.  I think they deeply care about what society at large thinks, hence the mantra of tolerance from the community...if what we think doesn't matter, then why discuss it at all?

I didn't bring this up.  Someone who apparently demands their "right" to watch "gay-free" TV started this thread.  That's tolerance.

I guarantee you the overwhelming majority of folks that attend the festival and parade are not activists in the political sense.  There are volunteers from community organizations, but again, those are all internal, serving primarily the "gay community".    

The people that go to those things are just having fun.  And while certainly the gay community would love to be treated as human beings, they know damn well they can't force anything on anyone.

[iplaw]

quote:And while certainly the gay community would love to be treated as human beings, they know damn well they can't force anything on anyone.

Thus returning full circle back to my original point.  To act in a brash manner that is off-putting to average people makes no sense.  I'm sure that in Tulsa the parades are, on average, low-key, but I have seen plenty of others where they're anything but.

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

To act in a brash manner that is off-putting to average people makes no sense.

It would make absolutely no sense at all, IF the "average" person were their target audience.  As is, if they manage any more people attending that festival, they'll probably have to go to a bigger park.  They're doing fine, without your support.  Complaining about it changes nothing.

[iplaw]

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It would make absolutely no sense at all, IF the "average" person were their target audience.  As is, if they manage any more people attending that festival, they'll probably have to go to a bigger park.  They're doing fine, without your support.  Complaining about it changes nothing.

Thanks, you've stated that multiple times now.  I appreciate that you think my opinion means nothing, you can move on now, as this should be very boring from here on out for you.

You've missed the point of my comments entirely, and talking in circles with you is not worth my time.  I'll continue the discussion with others who are interested in meaningful discourse.

[rwarn17588]

Hmmm ... I don't see iplaw complaining about "brash" people on the right wing, etc.

I always become deeply suspicious of selective outrage -- especially against gay people. If you're straight, why do you care? What does it matter to you?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Hmmm ... I don't see iplaw complaining about "brash" people on the right wing, etc.

I always become deeply suspicious of selective outrage -- especially against gay people. If you're straight, why do you care? What does it matter to you?

Because this discussion is very pointed about a specific topic.  I could discuss any number of issues, but most would be off-topic in this  thread.

Honestly I don't give a rip about it as it relates to me, but someone brought up the topic and stated it was a fair representation of the gay community in Tulsa, and that people should go and see what it's about, that put it on the table for discussion.  I shared my viewpoint from what I have observed.

It's really interesting how when someone holds a differing view on any part of this subject they're told to just "shut up and go away" or immediately labled.

[rwarn17588]

Well, since you are so obviously animated by this discussion, what other conclusion would I draw?

Open mouth, insert foot.