Gay practice on television -> gay pride

[AMP]

The Religious protest group that stand holding large signs at the Tulsa Parade are those that appear to be radical and strange it today's standards.  

In larger cities those religious protesters would look totally out of place.  But here they seem to fit in with the entire make up of the event.  

Kind of like WWF Wrestling Icons.  The Face and Heal type of conflict.    

You are watching un-identified people to the most part in the Pride Parade.  It may help if each participant was identified as to their job position and title.  

I smile when people speak of not having gays in specific sports, jobs and positoins.  As if there are no descrimination laws in effect.  LOL

I suppose since it is not politically correct to show public protests of the "Oil War," that the social standard has switched to a tamer type of public displays of emotional expressions.  (Dixie Chicks statemetn as an example)

[Editor]

If anyone wants to get remotely near the point of this thread, it would be greatly appreciated.

[MichaelC]

I magically reappeared, stage right.  Twould have been a much better effect if I'd had your rainbow colored tights.  []

I understand what you were saying earlier about the PR end of the Parade.  It would be lacking, if you were the general public were a PR target.  Of course, no matter what is done, the Parade would be lacking in the PR area.  So the point, isn't really a point at all.  Can't satisfy everyone, and they aren't trying.  If you don't like, you don't like it.  The parade and festival will go on.

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by Editor

If anyone wants to get remotely near the point of this thread, it would be greatly appreciated.

Change the channel.

Ok, now, back to the Parade.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:And while certainly the gay community would love to be treated as human beings, they know damn well they can't force anything on anyone.

Thus returning full circle back to my original point.  To act in a brash manner that is off-putting to average people makes no sense.  I'm sure that in Tulsa the parades are, on average, low-key, but I have seen plenty of others where they're anything but.

Iplaw, the parade wasn't started to win any respect.  It was started to show the community around them that there were gay people among them, and that they were a force.  It has since segmented into a way that gay people can recognize that they do have a community and that they do belong.  There has been discussion even within the gay community about what is portrayed on television and the like (since the cameras do focus on the "freaks", the gay accounting society isn't going to get airtime).  And there are people out there that wish some people wouldn't march, so we could provide our best light.  But how sad would it be if we in the gay community started rejecting people and not allowing them to march and be accepted as a part of our community?  There is enough negative messages out there if you are gay that for one day of the year I'm sure it's pretty nice for someone to clap for you and accept you even if you like to wear your underwear and show off.  
And like what someone has said already, we aren't going to win over anyone who doesn't want to accept us. Our straight allies love our freaks too.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

Go ahead and wait iplaw.  It'll give those scary gay people more time to convert you.

A Jehovah's Witness walks down the street, a Christmas Parade breaks out.  Should said Witness...

A) Complain about it on a forum.
B) Hide, and swear up and down he was never there.
C) Start celebrating Christmas.
D) Get over it.

Okay, I got quite a chuckle out of that one.. [][]

[iplaw]

quote:
And like what someone has said already, we aren't going to win over anyone who doesn't want to accept us.

Using your analogy, what if Dr. King would have adopted this policy?

quote:
Our straight allies love our freaks too.

Really?  I have a gay brother in-law that I care for very much, as he is the only brother I have (blood or otherwise).  Neither he, nor I appreciate the freaks.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
As far as working for the respect of the community at large: Where would the civil rights movement be without forced integration of the school system? If the NAACP had waited for acceptance, they'd still be waiting today. It had to be forced upon the community at large and let them see that it wasn't the end of the world.

Whoa!  That opens up another can of worms I'm definitely not discussing here.  I will say from what I have read, most African Americans are offended at the comparison, but discussing race and sexual orientation in the same thread is just asking for trouble. [/sneaks away]

I'd agree that SOME African Americans find it offensive to compare the two.  But who are the supposed leaders of African Americans?  Preachers.  Just because you have a segment that doesn't want to compare the two, doesn't make it a bad analogy.

Nor does it make it a good one, but I'm not having this discussion remember?[]

Pretty easy analogy; it's like any movement be it civil rights, women's rights (suffrage)or a number of others.  They all have followed the same format: Minority demands rights, majority rejects demands and claims that it takes time and "look how far we've already come!"; minority pushes for rights in the courtroom until they receive those rights; Majority howls and protests until they realize that it's a losing battle and then it's accepted.

[iplaw]

Well, now that we're in the politics area...

I think it's disenguous to compare your struggle to that of African Americans or women's suffrage.  Both of the aforementioned parties could be discriminated against based upon purely external factors.

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
And like what someone has said already, we aren't going to win over anyone who doesn't want to accept us.

Using your analogy, what if Dr. King would have adopted this policy?

quote:
Our straight allies love our freaks too.

Really?  I have a gay brother in-law that I care for very much, as he is the only brother I have (blood or otherwise).  Neither he, nor I appreciate the freaks.

Dr. King wasn't well liked, in fact he was hated by most whites while he was alive.  It was only after his death have we come to realize how much he helped us advance as a nation.

Okay Iplaw, like I said, there is much discussion about the "freaks", and people do want them out of the parade.  I just don't feel like being the one to reject them and tell them they aren't wanted; they get that enough from society.  Maybe you and your brother-in-law would want to have that discussion with them?
And quit playing that "I have a relative/friend who is gay" card. []

[okiebybirth]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Well, now that we're in the politics area...

I think it's disenguous to compare your struggle to that of African Americans or women's suffrage.  Both of the aforementioned parties could be discriminated against based upon purely external factors.

True, ours is a internal factor and could be hidden.  Just most of us feel like it's a lie and would rather not stay in the closet.  Good point.

[iplaw]

quote:Dr. King wasn't well liked, in fact he was hated by most whites while he was alive.  It was only after his death have we come to realize how much he helped us advance as a nation.

I hardly think this was the case, but maybe you could point me in the direction of the source you found this tid bit of "fact" in.

quote:
Okay Iplaw, like I said, there is much discussion about the "freaks", and people do want them out of the parade.  I just don't feel like being the one to reject them and tell them they aren't wanted; they get that enough from society.  Maybe you and your brother-in-law would want to have that discussion with them?
And quit playing that "I have a relative/friend who is gay" card. []

Oh...it's playing a card when I do it, but not when MichaelC does it...how convienient. []  I almost wrote you a nasty reply until I saw the tongue...

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by okiebybirth

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Well, now that we're in the politics area...

I think it's disenguous to compare your struggle to that of African Americans or women's suffrage.  Both of the aforementioned parties could be discriminated against based upon purely external factors.

True, ours is a internal factor and could be hidden.  Just most of us feel like it's a lie and would rather not stay in the closet.  Good point.

Nor do I want you to stay there...I think we are in agreement about the wackiness factor.

I went to Pamplona last year and saw the PETA "Running of the Nudes" before the running of the bulls.  Trust me, it's just as nasty seeing straight people gyrating in their underwear...

[AMP]

The point of the original post on this thread was public display of affection or gay stuff on TV.  I ony spoke of the Parade and other public displays to point out it is in real life as well as on TV.

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by AMP

The point of the original post on this thread was public display of affection or gay stuff on TV.  I ony spoke of the Parade and other public displays to point out it is in real life as well as on TV.

I'm actually kind of glad you mentioned it.  It's a different situation, but it's the same solution.  "Get over it."

How does one actually take the negativity seriously?  Somebody is upset because they saw 2 guys kissing on TV, and the obvious solution (changing the channel) is somehow too easy.  Like there has to be a more complicated solution like "throw the TV at a homosexual", or "write my congressman", or "wear more manly socks" or "live in Mongolia".  Or, as if there are bigger questions like "will TV turn me or my children gay?"  

It's rediculous.  This thread started in a slightly homophobic manner, and it's difficult to take the thread seriously.  Had it not been for the jump off over to the Parade, this thread had no where to go but in the toilet.