Daylight Saving Time

[Steve]

Any other TulsaNow posters care to weigh in with their opinions on daylight saving time and the earlier implementation this year?

I just finished resetting all 12 clocks and appliances with timers in my house.  4 wall clocks, 2 TVs, VCR, kitchen range, microwave, 1 telephone, programmable HVAC thermostat, car radio.  The 2 telephone caller IDs and my computer will presumably reset themselves.  Not a real big deal, only takes me about 10 minutes.

Does DST really save that much energy?  I know it does in theory or speculation, but is it really proven?  If we save energy by longer sunlight in the evening, is this not offset by darker mornings where artificial light is needed?  I rather like DST for the longer evening light, but is it really worth it in proven energy savings?

[inteller]

in Bush reality it saves lots of energy.  in our reality the savings are offset by the costs of fixing devices for the change.

[Cubs]

quote: in Bush reality it saves lots of energy. in our reality the savings are offset by the costs of fixing devices for the change.

Bush did not create Daylight Saving Time and the changing of clocks around the house is not affected by the change in DST, we have to do it either way.

quote: If we save energy by longer sunlight in the evening, is this not offset by darker mornings where artificial light is needed?  

Although this is may be true at our homes, (for some) I think businesses that aren't open in the early morning will certainly benefit because they wont have to light their stores and parking lots as long.

[inteller]

(Personal attack removed)

[rwarn17588]

Yes, daylight savings time does save energy.

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Yes, daylight savings time does save energy.

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html

OMG who wrote this...Bush?

"In addition, less electricity is used because people are home fewer hours during the "longer" days of spring and summer. Most people plan outdoor activities in the extra daylight hours. When people are not at home, they don't turn on the appliances and lights."

that is utter bull****.  where are the stats that say most people stay out of their houses during the longer days?  I know I dont.  Hell if its hot outside I am more likely to go inside SOONER and run my nice energy sucking air conditioner.  Plus, these days many appliances are on even when you are gone.  They still consume power to maintain memory settings and whatnot.


this "report" is so concerned about savign energy via lighting.  Well that problem can be solved without mucking with DST.  Just place an IMMEDIATE ban on incandecent light bulbs and force a switch to compact flourescent.

real energy savings won't occur in this country until someone inflicts (dictates) forced change on americans consumption habits.

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Yes, daylight savings time does save energy.

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/c.html

this "report" is so concerned about savign energy via lighting.  Well that problem can be solved without mucking with DST.  Just place an IMMEDIATE ban on incandecent light bulbs and force a switch to compact flourescent.

real energy savings won't occur in this country until someone inflicts (dictates) forced change on americans consumption habits.

For a change, I agree with you inteller that real energy savings will not occur without forced change due to product supply, such as compact flourescent vs. incandescent.  This fiddling with clock hours has a minimal effect, IMO.

[sgrizzle]

The bill as a whole was fairly easily passed. Just because inteller doesn't go outside (which seems like a personal problem) doesn't reflect the rest of the US. As noted before, a countrywide switch to CFL could lead to widespread mercury contamination.

[inteller]

oh geez.  yes and taking showers with chlorinated water will create chlorine gas and kill brain cells.

years from now, i'll make sure and bust my used CFLs open on the street so kids and animals can lick up the mercury and then wallow in the broken glass.

the kooks are out in full force tonight.

I read that URL and raise you one:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/10/all-of-eu-to-switch-off-energy-inefficient-lights-within-three-y/

some parts of the world have it figured out, and aren't screwing around with "fuzzy math".

decades from now, if the US is still around, 2000-2008 will be known as the dark ages of the United States.

[rwarn17588]

Inteller, chill out, dude.

I've been on this list for nearly three years, and I've noticed that you've been *really* cranky lately.

Is everything all right?

(Seriously.)

[RecycleMichael]

I am afraid this is going to turn into another Y2K. The world might come to an end at 2am.

I remember that it was all about only having 2 number fields and the default was 19__. They quickly fixed it by adding two new fields (I think they should have added three so this would not be an issue with Y10K).

I guess I am the only person who is worried.

I still believe that the Dark Ages were a Y1K problem.

[patric]

Of course, the thinking also goes that the less electricity you generate to keep lights burning, the less those plants are spewing junk (including mercury) directly into the air.

As far as crime goes...
'A 1970s study by the U.S. Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA) found a reduction of 10% to 13% in the violent crime rate of Washington, D.C. However, this study was weak, as it did not filter out other factors, and it covered only two cities and found crime reductions only in one and only in some crime categories; the DOT decided it was "impossible to conclude with any confidence that comparable benefits would be found nationwide."[15] Studies of outdoor lighting indicate that while it makes potential crime victims feel safer, it may actually encourage crime.[16]'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

[TheArtist]

I wish they would have made it a couple weeks earlier actually, just because it would be nice to have that extra our of daylight after work.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I am afraid this is going to turn into another Y2K. The world might come to an end at 2am.

I remember that it was all about only having 2 number fields and the default was 19__. They quickly fixed it by adding two new fields (I think they should have added three so this would not be an issue with Y10K).

I guess I am the only person who is worried.

I still believe that the Dark Ages were a Y1K problem.

unfortunately nothing happened.

[BKDotCom]

DST isn't about saving energy, it's about spending money and the  economy.   When it's dark outside people tend to not venture out, go shopping, dine out, spend money.  At least as much as when there's daylight out.