Daylight Saving Time

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I am afraid this is going to turn into another Y2K. The world might come to an end at 2am.

I remember that it was all about only having 2 number fields and the default was 19__. They quickly fixed it by adding two new fields (I think they should have added three so this would not be an issue with Y10K).

I guess I am the only person who is worried.

I still believe that the Dark Ages were a Y1K problem.

unfortunately nothing happened.

Yet.  The next test is when DST would normally come along in 3 weeks.  Will computers adjust another hour forward?

[inteller]

my watch will.  dunno about most computers.

[dsjeffries]

Daylight Saving Time doesn't reduce any energy consumption.  In fact, it might do exactly the opposite.
What do these out-of-doors people do when they're not home?  Most of them will get in their SUV and drive somewhere, regardless of the amount of light, to do as they please.  

More time outdoors also means more boats and jet skis on lakes, more four wheelers out and about; Generally, an increase in consumption.

Also, with the mornings being dark for longer, when people wake up they will flip on the light switch just as if it were evening.  There's no energy conservation there, either.

[BKDotCom]

quote:from cnn.com
Average U.S. retail gasoline prices have risen 20 cents to $2.55 a gallon, and demand could rise further in coming weeks as daylight savings time gives Americans more time to drive, an industry analyst says.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I am afraid this is going to turn into another Y2K. The world might come to an end at 2am.

I remember that it was all about only having 2 number fields and the default was 19__. They quickly fixed it by adding two new fields (I think they should have added three so this would not be an issue with Y10K).

I guess I am the only person who is worried.

I still believe that the Dark Ages were a Y1K problem.

unfortunately nothing happened.

Yet.  The next test is when DST would normally come along in 3 weeks.  Will computers adjust another hour forward?

Only if you're computer isn't patched for the current time change.

[mspivey]

quote:Originally posted by inteller


unfortunately nothing happened.

Man, you crack me up.

"Sure is hot today"
"Blame Bush"

"Lost my job today"
"Blame Bush"

"Stocks went down (or up) today"
"Blame Bush"

I guess it makes your life simpler to have one excuse for every problem.

[jdb]

Arizona does not change it's clocks.
Been out here some 60 days now and have not noticed much energy being saved except that of not having to re-adjust one's drinking shcedule.

Drag is calling back home now wakes my people up at 3:00 am.
Opps.

Good thing they like me, jdb

[PonderInc]

I heard an interesting story on NPR about this topic.  It seems that the real push for more "daylight savings" comes from the Chamber of Commerce and various retailers.  More daylight means more shopping. (People are more likely to go shopping in daylight than in the dark.)  One example: the last time they extended DST, it increased golf industry sales (green fees and golf club sales) by hundreds of millions of dollars nationwide.  

You'll notice that the new schedule will mean that Halloween will fall in DST.  The candy industry has been lobbying for this for years.  The author of "Spring Forward: The Annual Madness of Daylight Saving Time" argues that DST causes more energy use, b/c people are out driving more, shopping more, and generally using more energy than if they were just quietly sitting at home watching TV.  Energy savings has never been proven in the past.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7779869

But, hey, I like it...I'm a night person anyway.  Who needs daylight in the morning?  It just shines in my eyes when I'm trying to sleep!

[Steve]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

I heard an interesting story on NPR about this topic.  It seems that the real push for more "daylight savings" comes from the Chamber of Commerce and various retailers.  More daylight means more shopping. (People are more likely to go shopping in daylight than in the dark.)  One example: the last time they extended DST, it increased golf industry sales (green fees and golf club sales) by hundreds of millions of dollars nationwide.  

You'll notice that the new schedule will mean that Halloween will fall in DST.  The candy industry has been lobbying for this for years.  The author of "Spring Forward: The Annual Madness of Daylight Saving Time" argues that DST causes more energy use, b/c people are out driving more, shopping more, and generally using more energy than if they were just quietly sitting at home watching TV.  Energy savings has never been proven in the past.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7779869

But, hey, I like it...I'm a night person anyway.  Who needs daylight in the morning?  It just shines in my eyes when I'm trying to sleep!

Thanks PonderInc for staying on-topic.  I am not surprised, I too think the push for expanded DST is business/commerce related.  All things considered, I find it very hard to believe that there are any true energy savings from the annual DST switch, although I too like the longer evening daylight.

I remember back when I was in high school circa 1973-1974 during the first "energy crisis" Arab oil embargo, we went on year round DST for a while.  It only lasted for 1 year or less; there was such a public outcry against it that Congress repealed the law.

[inteller]

well of course, at the end of the day its all about greed....not saving energy.

[mspivey]

So, even if the candy companies stand to profit, does anyone think that kids trick or treating in daylight instead of dark is a bad thing?

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by mspivey

So, even if the candy companies stand to profit, does anyone think that kids trick or treating in daylight instead of dark is a bad thing?

yes.  it defeats the spirit of the holiday.

[billintulsa]

The only thing I don't understand is the fact that every year we hear how beneficial it is to "spring forward."  If it is beneficial, why don't we just stay on that time year 'round?

[RecycleMichael]

I am in favor of adding another full hour to our day. Vote for me and I will give you a 25 hour day...just think...an extra hour just to do the things you want to do.

An extra hour that could be used to play with your kids, exercise or even take a nap.

My plan is to slow down the earth's rotation by around 4.16%. I am exploring some counter-thrust options as well as large baffles placed in strategic locations.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I am in favor of adding another full hour to our day. Vote for me and I will give you a 25 hour day...just think...an extra hour just to do the things you want to do.

An extra hour that could be used to play with your kids, exercise or even take a nap.

My plan is to slow down the earth's rotation by around 4.16%. I am exploring some counter-thrust options as well as large baffles placed in strategic locations.

I think you may be able to by either using the large hot air mass over the D.C. area or the vacuum found around the Los Angeles area.