Oklahoma Constitution being trampled

[altruismsuffers]

Not only is the Oklahoma constitution being disregarded so is nearly the ENTIRE U.S. Constitution.  Just one example of this is the passing of the Military Commissions Act which officially ends the Writ of Habeus Corpus.  Our Oklahoma Constitution specifically says The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall never be suspended by the authorities of this State. -Section II-10: Habeas corpus - Suspension.  What are we going to do about this?

[rwarn17588]

Why do you ask? Are you in jail?

[}:)]

[Conan71]

Alt, change that annoying avatar, and I might treat you with just slightly more respect.  That damn thing makes me dizzy.

[sgrizzle]

This story is 6 months old..

[altruismsuffers]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

This story is 6 months old..

The constitution was destroyed 6 months ago, this story is old...get over it right?   Are you serious?  I think I have some sick disease and I enjoy seeing how idiotic nearly EVERYONE is on this forum....

 Is there anyone that will debate any issue with me?  Anyone?  Did I miss something?  Is this forum for retards or what?

[rwarn17588]

Hint: It's hard to debate anyone who doesn't listen when FACTS are presented. That would be you.

You present your alleged "facts," then don't acknowledge when others do so. That's not a debate, it's a monologue.

Hmmm ... Alt called people on this board "retards." Alt, don't resort to personal attacks. It might get you kicked off the board.

On the other hand, go ahead with those personal attacks ... [}:)]

By the way, a retarded person would at least know when to quit after drawing a certain amount of ridicule. Just sayin' ... [}:)]

[guido911]

Retards? Are YOU serious? Perhaps if the source for your post was not Keith Olbermann, an O'Reilly-obsessed sportscaster, people would take you seriously.

Incidentally, we have all seen your debate skills, more specifically the pummeling IP gave you several months ago. You are boring.

[grahambino]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Alt, change that annoying avatar, and I might treat you with just slightly more respect.  That damn thing makes me dizzy.

firefox + adblock is a wonderful thing.
that avatar was making me dizzy too, it is now blocked and i dont see it.

[Conan71]

What on earth makes you think I'm a retard?

[cannon_fodder]

Wow, an architect, an engineer, an expert on US banking policies, AND a legal scholar.  I'm impressed.  What we have here folks is yet another logical falicy.  

3 step process, are you ready?

1) US Constitution is greater than and trumps the  Oklahoma Constitution
2) The US Constitution SPECIFICALLY allows the Writ to be suspended, and it has been suspended (Washington, Lincoln, & Roosevelt to name a few of the lowlife's guilty of such an act).
3) Therefore, the Oklahoma constitution must allow the Writ to be suspended at the federal level.

http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/constitution_transcript.html

You will first be directed to the general principle of federalism contained in the preamble of the constitution. This second and standing at the creation of our United States sets up the hierarchy of our laws.  What is commonly known as the "supremacy clause" of Article VI clearly states that Federal law "shall be the supreme Law of the Land" and the US Constitution shall govern above all.

Next, I will point out that you blatantly mis-stated the law on habeas corpus.  The word NEVER does not appear in the US constitution (nevertheless & whenever are your closest references), it certainly does not appear in reference to habeas corpus which specifically allows the writ to be suspended. Thus, any language in Oklahoma using such robust language is necessarily trumped.

Article II, § 9 of the US Constitution states:

quote:The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

The Oklahoma constitution forbids the STATE from acting. So when the state of Oklahoma suspends the Writ you have a claim against the STATE. Unfortunately, the Writ is suspended at the Federal Executive level... so your claim is highly unlikely to ever ripen.

Therefor, it does not matter what the Oklahoma Constitution says, the Writ can be suspended for the reasons stated.  While I disagree with the current state of affairs, nearly everything is done int he name of "public safety" from the Brady Bill, to not being able to get decongestants at Walgreens, to a $100 tax on most plane tickets for the farce of public safety.  We sold our freedom a long time ago for public correctness and the illusion of safety.

/me disappointedly removes tinfoil hat.

[edit]edited for typo[/edit]

[guido911]

Good post cannon. First round KO

[guido911]

Oh, cannon, also, good post--for being a retard.

[cannon_fodder]

So if you turn out to be obviously completely and totally wrong you just abandon the thread?  Good to know.

[Conan71]

CF- you don't strike me as a slow-learner []

[rwarn17588]

Maybe he got kicked off.