The anti-war crowd reveals their true colors.

[jamesrage]

http://www.ktvz.com/story.cfm?nav=oregon&storyID=18920
Some photos that surfaced on the Internet revealed a darker side of the recent Iraq war protests in Portland.


Thousands marched in Portland downtown streets Sunday to protest the fourth anniversary of the start of the war. As the march along 24 blocks ended, a group of young people led police on bicycles, horses and motorcycles through downtown.

A few scuffles broke out, with police using pepper spray at one point, and several people were led away in plastic cuffs.

The photos showed protesters gathered around a figure wearing U.S. military fatigues and a crude skull for a head as it and an American flag were lit on fire.

[cannon_fodder]

This was on drudge a couple of days ago... those people clearly are radicals.  They burned a US soldier in effigy for gods sake.  

I'd also like to point out that hanging an American flag upside down means HELP.  What does it mean when you burn the symbol for help?  I just dont get it.  I'm going to go ahead and assume they were more interested in doing something 'cool' and being attention whores than making a statement.

Plus, Portland is the most leftist city in the nation.  The whole state of Oregon, for that matter, is a hippy haven.

[tim huntzinger]

That group represents a fraction of the 'anti-war' crowd.  Most peaceniks are not of that ilk.  Having said that those punks should be tried for something and we should all boycott Nike.

[grahambino]

your assumption about the entire state of oregon being 'hippy heaven' is incorrect.

you get outside of the metropolitan areas (portland & eugene) & things are quite a bit different.  its not much different than OK in terms of demographics & political ideaology.

[rwarn17588]

By james' logic, the 60-plus percent of America who want U.S. troops withdrawn from Iraq are like those protesters.

Please. [}:)]

A strong majority of Americans are against the war because 1) it's a failed effort; and 2) Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

[iplaw]

quote:Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

Good god, can we drop this canard already?

[rwarn17588]

Hey, the truth hurts.

[MichaelC]

The Emporer of Ranch Acres would like to assure the King of Red Fork that we have no intentions of invading.

As long as you get rid of your WMD.

[rwarn17588]

Damn, I'll have to get rid of my pliers. [}:)]

[cannon_fodder]

grahambino, I understand that most of rural Oregon is actual conservative.  Just like Northern California and western Washington.  But the masses in those metro areas outweigh the voting power of the rural areas.  King County was one of 3 counties in Washington to vote democratic... but the state is always taken by democrats.


Rwarn:

The colonist should have just paid their taxes and shut up. The monarchy was on its way out anyway so they should have just been patient.

Slavery probably would have ender on its own, largely resolving the socio economic causes for the civil war.  It was not needed.

We picked a fight with Mexico just for a land grab.

The Maine was sunk because of a boiler problem, not the Spanish.

The Lusitania was carrying war supplies.

We had airmen fighting both the Japanese and Germans before was was declared in WWII.  Not to mention the direct aid we gave China and the UK prior to our entrance.  They had a right to attack us.

North Korea never recognized the UN so it could not violate its charter by invading the South.  That was a  civil war and we had no right to intervene.

The United States had no right to make a colonial claim in Vietnam nor a UN sanction.

- How long after the fact does it remain more relevant than events that followed?

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

- How long after the fact does it remain more relevant than events that followed?

"More" is kind of relative isn't it?  There are those that believe this Administration sold the American public a collection of lies for the single purpose of invading Iraq.  If true, the Administration can likely never be believed in basically anthing it does.  It lacks credibility, because of the sales pitch on Iraq.  Many of these supported the war in Afghanistan, and still do.  So, the "sales pitch" would be very relevant, it killed the Administration's credibility.

On the other hand, there are those who believe that the Administration was honest, but completely incompetent and incapable of executing the war properly.  To them, reasons for the invasion were just another showing of incompetence either by intelligence or the Administration.  The reasons for invading Iraq aren't so important in that case, because it's the actual execution of the war that comes into question.

Then of course there's the other group of folks that believe either the Administration was completely honest, or spread necessary misinformation.  They either claim that everything in Iraq is going well, or they blame anti-war activists and Democrats for any tactical or strategic failures in Iraq.  The run up to Iraq isn't a question at all here.

[TulsaFan-inTexas]

I'd be in that middle group.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Hey, the truth hurts.

Is that the litmus test from now on for the WOT?  We can't deal with someone unless they were involved with 9/11?

[Conan71]

What about pre-empting the 9/12 attack or 10/11 attack?

Last time I'm going to say it and I'll type real slow because some of you are slow on the up-take:  Iraq was ripe to become the petri dish for the next band of terrorist thugs after we booted the Taliban out of Afghanistan.

Even beloved Bill Clinton believed there was WMD in Iraq.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I'd also like to point out that hanging an American flag upside down means HELP.  What does it mean when you burn the symbol for help?  

I was thinking the same thing.