Thank You Mayor Taylor

[shadows]

On either side of the river lie
Long fields of barley and rye
That cloth the world and meet the sky
And the road runs near by
To the many towered Camelot.

Recalling school days when Camelot represented a seat of government.  I attended conventions there when it was in its heydays.

It would make a better acknowledged city hall than the monstrosity that is under contract  Every citizen should be shuttled by and see the building on its postage stamp setting that is to house the city hall..

The Camelot would be more accessible than the glass tower and could be brought up to par for much less.

Here we stand delighted with what we build today.
Tomorrow we'll enter in the plea to have it torn away.    

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

So which historical preservation nut from this forum will be the first to chain themselves to the building?

I think all these years it's sat vacant most people in Tulsa would've liked to see the building renovated instead of torn down. Guess that makes the entire town preservation nuts?

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

Word. The thing is full of asbestos so don't expect it to come down soon. That probably rules out implosion too. Too bad, the city could probably could have auctioned off the opportunity to detonate it on ebay.

You mean the city hasn't planted explosives in the building already and planned for a plane to fly into it?  Don't they all do that?

[Conan71]

Speaking of airplanes, it's only usefulness in recent years was as a landmark for planes landing at Riverside airport, actually.  Uh oh, now there's another conspiracy, Spartan is training future airplane pilot terrorists.

[Wrinkle]

Actually, this is a fairly ingenius solution to a long term problem.

The building hasn't been renovated due to the expense and hazard associated with asbestos abaitment.

The City didn't want to condemn and foreclose on property since with it comes the liabilities for the asbestos abaitment, as the owner.

This deal allows the current owner to do the dirty work, sell his property, pay off the loan and then get out from under their boondogle.

The current owner would appear to lose most of, if not their entire original investment, however.

But, having a new parcel and a clean start is worthy. Elimination of the hazard/eyesore is priceless.

Besides, if there's one thing this City does well, it's demolition.

[shadows]

W quoted:
Besides, if there's one thing this City does well, it's demolition.
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Most of the advanced world societies support the retaining of the design of their building so those who come after them can view their handiwork.  Even Iraq.

Is there any estimates of what it would cost to restore the Camelot building?

Possibly 25% of the houses in Tulsa contain a form of asbestoses.    Tons of it was used  in the construction of the Bomber Plant and I have not hear of anyone claiming effects who worked years beneath it.

Next it will be those horrible towers on the ORU campus that have to come down.   ORU was warned that the city did not need any more hospitals or private schools.   [Since the forced closure of the hospital and medical school we have built several in the metro area.].

We could demolish the glass tower DT before we spend millions adapting it to where it would be useable.   It is a health threat from falling glass and in the area of traffic  congestion in the morning and evening rush hours.  In an emergency the equipment would have to be flown in by helicopter.

Is it a citizen's city hall or is it exclusive for the bureaucrats use and located where it is hard for the citizen to access?  

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

W quoted:
Besides, if there's one thing this City does well, it's demolition.
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Most of the advanced world societies support the retaining of the design of their building so those who come after them can view their handiwork.  Even Iraq.

Is there any estimates of what it would cost to restore the Camelot building?

Possibly 25% of the houses in Tulsa contain a form of asbestoses.    Tons of it was used  in the construction of the Bomber Plant and I have not hear of anyone claiming effects who worked years beneath it.

Next it will be those horrible towers on the ORU campus that have to come down.   ORU was warned that the city did not need any more hospitals or private schools.   [Since the forced closure of the hospital and medical school we have built several in the metro area.].

We could demolish the glass tower DT before we spend millions adapting it to where it would be useable.   It is a health threat from falling glass and in the area of traffic  congestion in the morning and evening rush hours.  In an emergency the equipment would have to be flown in by helicopter.

Is it a citizen's city hall or is it exclusive for the bureaucrats use and located where it is hard for the citizen to access?  

Real estimates I'm aware of no.  Common sense says it would probably cost more to re-hab it than to scrape it and start over.

The only danger in asbestos is when it is disturbed, i.e. in demolition or removing an old HVAC system and installing a new one.

[Double A]

I believe the term is friable. I heard Camelot has the really bad stuff, easily disturbed and instantly airborne. No boom, damn it! I always thought the Camelot always had an old school Vegas Casino meets Disney World vibe. Too bad the Camelot won't go out with a Vegas style implosion.

[Wrinkle]

quote: Is it a citizen's city hall or is it exclusive for the bureaucrats use and located where it is hard for the citizen to access?  

I've wondered this myself and haven't heard any comments to date, 'til now.

While parking is probably better for employees (though, I understand, not enough for all city employee parking, and/or other tenants too) the building, siting and general disposition are far more unfriendly to short-term visitors (i.e., "public").

IMO, this will further isolate government from the Kingdom. Whether that is an important  consideration would probably depend on which side of the desk you're on.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

I believe the term is friable. I heard Camelot has the really bad stuff, easily disturbed and instantly airborne. No boom, damn it! I always thought the Camelot always had an old school Vegas Casino meets Disney World vibe. Too bad the Camelot won't go out with a Vegas style implosion.

Is it that blown in crap? Looks like fluffy grey snow?

Nasty stuff

[Wrinkle]

quote: Is it that blown in crap? Looks like fluffy grey snow?

Construction period is about right for that. Besides the surface stuff, almost all steel structures of the period had spray-on fireproofing containing asbestos, the really bad stuff that flakes and flies with a simple finger brushing.

[shadows]

Quoted:

Construction period is about right for that. Besides the surface stuff, almost all steel structures of the period had spray-on fireproofing containing asbestos, the really bad stuff that flakes and flies with a simple finger brushing.
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I am not aware of steel being spayed with asbestos .  I am aware that I worked beside the asbestoser covering the air conditioning pipes with the materials in the construction of the bomber plant.

I  have also used asbestos paper in the  past on venting ducks.   I have used asbestos pipe for vents.  Many houses in Tulsa are covered with asbestos singles.  Many have attic's insulated with asbestos.   I have worked in attics that were insulated with blown in asbestos.   I have used asbestos pot protectors on stove burners.

When I go to a doctor the primary question has always been "Do you smoke?"

I have never been ask "Have you touched asbestos."    

There are vacuum pumps mounted on trucks using four cylinder piston pumps with 4 inch hoses that will vacuum up anything in even the cracks.  

Since Public Works has two of everything.  I am sure they have two that could vacuum out the Camelot building in a very short time.

To destroy a national land mark sitting on the sight of the developments of the river is beyond reasonable  thinking.   To not use it for city purposes defies all reasoning when we select a building designed as a transfer point for optical cable connections for many million connections.

Then the glass building will isolate the majority of citizens to their city hall by the traffic in that area along with the other government offices in the plaza.  Is it their city hall or Tulsa/Williams glass showcase with call stations and a coffee shop/ bar on each floor? Will only orange juice be served in the bars for hangovers?

The mayor is entitled to many thanks for decentralizing the area set aside for citizens access to the functions of government.

Will Flint be used to refurbish the buildings for millions of dollars so it can be used for an isolated city hall?

Is there anyone available in the real world?

[AVERAGE JOE]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Quoted:

Construction period is about right for that. Besides the surface stuff, almost all steel structures of the period had spray-on fireproofing containing asbestos, the really bad stuff that flakes and flies with a simple finger brushing.
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I am not aware of steel being spayed with asbestos .  I am aware that I worked beside the asbestoser covering the air conditioning pipes with the materials in the construction of the bomber plant.

I  have also used asbestos paper in the  past on venting ducks.   I have used asbestos pipe for vents.  Many houses in Tulsa are covered with asbestos singles.  Many have attic's insulated with asbestos.   I have worked in attics that were insulated with blown in asbestos.   I have used asbestos pot protectors on stove burners.

When I go to a doctor the primary question has always been "Do you smoke?"

I have never been ask "Have you touched asbestos."    

There are vacuum pumps mounted on trucks using four cylinder piston pumps with 4 inch hoses that will vacuum up anything in even the cracks.  

Since Public Works has two of everything.  I am sure they have two that could vacuum out the Camelot building in a very short time.

To destroy a national land mark sitting on the sight of the developments of the river is beyond reasonable  thinking.   To not use it for city purposes defies all reasoning when we select a building designed as a transfer point for optical cable connections for many million connections.

Then the glass building will isolate the majority of citizens to their city hall by the traffic in that area along with the other government offices in the plaza.  Is it their city hall or Tulsa/Williams glass showcase with call stations and a coffee shop/ bar on each floor? Will only orange juice be served in the bars for hangovers?

The mayor is entitled to many thanks for decentralizing the area set aside for citizens access to the functions of government.

Will Flint be used to refurbish the buildings for millions of dollars so it can be used for an isolated city hall?

Is there anyone available in the real world?

Please see your doctor and have your medications adjusted as soon as possible.

[Wrinkle]

Can you say, "Mesothelioma"?

It's a terrible disease which can be caused by a single asbestos fiber. It does often take 20-30 years or so to show up, however.

[shadows]

Millions of tons of asbestos have been mined.   If a single fiber can cause such a horrible death have you every watch a person given 6 months to prepare for their death because of cigarettes.

The Camelot building is in no worse condition than the Mayo Hotel and every one is gung-ho to restore it.  It was built long before the Camelot.

Was it not in the past that the Williams Brothers wanted the city to urban renew a large section around their buildings and turn it over to them?

In the river development, which every city with a creek is doing, without concern of overbuilding, what would you place beside the river that would be as outstanding?

We do need a glass building in a congested area with 15 more bars and sitting rooms as well as many many three sided phone booths.

I don't think that I need a change of medicine as bad as some need to get off their hallucinogen pills.

If the citizens as a whole could examine both buildings and compare the millions of tax dollars involved in the locations, there would be an enormous attendance at the Nazi meeting.