Nazis in town tonight

[DM]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

For once, iplaw and I agree. []

April 16, 2007 - Mass shooting at VA Tech, Nazis in Tulsa, and Iplaw and rwarn agree. What is this world coming too??

[cannon_fodder]

I'm on board with IP's statement also.

Other than driving a 1980 police cruiser with cop motor, cop shocks and cop tires threw their formation... ignoring them is probably the next best thing.  Third on the list would be a counter protest pointing out that Hitler only had one testicle and was one of the worst military leaders of all time (great orator and nationalist, HORRIBLE military leader).  It might also be worth mentioning that his paintings suck, his mustache was ridiculous, and he hid from the war when it got too close for comfort while sending boys out to die.   "Hitler was a p**sy" might make a nice banner.

I hate Oklahoma Nazi's (too).

[iplaw]

I've never seen real-life Nazis.  I may get a slushy at Sonic and watch the tomfoolery unfold.  [}:)]

[deinstein]

Ok guys, we've got mock ideas. But what time does this thing start?

[shadows]

Tulsa like the nation is made up of sectarian groups.  When a group is isolated with the finger pointing they become no better that the Nazis who found leadership in Hitler bring them back in existence after their defeat in the first world.

As having been advised we are not a nation with a nationality but a melting pot full of ingredients that by their generics will never mix.

Between the Euphrates and the Tigris rivers in Iraqi, which by the book of the history of the Jew is where the garden East to Eden was planted.  The Jews are not of the Christian belief as the Pharisees of the temple believed Jesus was an imposter.  Who are the anti-Christ?

The unfortunate part that we have to relate to is the killing of the students today.   Now a new landslide of gun controls will sweep the country.  The enemy to our way of life lies within and an unarmed nation can only lead to defeat.  

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by teddy jack eddy

How interesting this situation is!

One the one hand, you have the ultra right-wing Nazis, and on the other hand you have the ultra right-wing Fundamentalists.  

It was both a political hatred and a religious hatred that led the right wing in Nazi Germany to act like it did against the Jews.

The Nazis felt they were racially superior to the Jews, and today's Fundamentalists feel they are religiously superior to the Jews (who are going to hell because they don't believe in the return of Jesus).  

So where does that leave the Jews?  

The Jews are hell-bound, both by Fundamentalist brainwashing and Nazi brainwashing.  

I'm not so worried about the Nazis, we have a pretty good idea of their agenda. It's the religious Fundamentalists I'm concerned about.

I, for one, am convinced the "Anti-Christ" (if indeed there will be one) will be a product of the Fundamentalist "Christian" movement. What better cloak for Satan to have than the mantle of religion?

It is an active breeding ground for dangerous religious/political demogogues, in short, another Hitler, but a Fundamentalist Hitler.

The Fundamentalists have tried to make it appear as though whomever speaks out against them are against God.  In this manner, they have stilled the voices of their opposition in Tulsa.  This is the same technique the Nazis used to still the outcry of their treatment of the Jews.

I wish people would stop comparing everything to Nazis, it's tired and cliche.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

I hate Illinois Nazis...


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That was the first thing I thought of when I read the topic header.  [}:)]

[iplaw]

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I also don't see much difference between the Nazi mind and the Fundamentalist mind.

Then you aren't looking very closely.  What part of sticking Jews in pizza ovens and gassing them with poison reminds you evangelical fundamentalism, especially the dog and pony shows for money on TV?

Every time someone makes a wrongheaded comparison to Nazi germany that isn't appropriate, it takes something away from not only the victims, but from us remembering exactly how evil they were.

[South_Tulsan]

Nazism is a form of fundamentalism.

Nazis think they are descendants of Nordic superhumans whose blood has been watered down by inferior races.

Its a religious belief, and any time religious beliefs are forced on the people, freedom is lost.

[cannon_fodder]

In all fairness IP, he didnt compare fundamentalist actions to Nazi actions but the similarity of their minds.  

I believe he was attempting to insinuate that both are susceptible to the cult of personality (often the preacher of a mega church) and of herd mentality.  While Hitler spoke of what is best for the Aryan race, the preacher speaks for what Jesus would have wanted - and the herd follows.  Both are being told what to think by a riveting personality and by pressure to follow the crowd.  The mass gatherings of Christians do bare a startling resemblance to  Nuremberg; with banners displaying the cross fluttering in massive stadiums as a central figure speaks to the masses to orchestrated cheers.

The obvious fault would lie in the fact that not all, or even many, fundamentalists preachers nor followers fall into this category.  Nor do most do so in an attempt to consolidate power.  Similarly, one likes to think that few in the United States preach such an unyielding message of hate (bar Fred Phelps) nor that many followers have been led to atrocities (bar Jim Jones, David Koresh, those freaks in California, and again - Fred Phelps).  And of course, in the United States, dissent is allowed by law and often welcomed by religous organizations (as seen by Christian/Jew/Muslim fellowships were they discuss their beliefs).

As an interesting side note, many Nazi organizations are also self proclaimed fundamentalist Christians.  "Good protestant white folk," as it were.  Religion is just as susceptible to distortion as anything else - which speaks nothing of any particular religion.

But yes, the constant Godwin cries of "Nazi" are tiresome and over used.
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But back on topic - what went down with the Nazi's?  I see they were larger ignored/over shadowed by the VT shootings.

[iplaw]

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I'll tell you why they are alike.  Both Fundamentalist and Nazis are all about control.

So's my wife, but that doesn't make her a Nazi.

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The Nazis recruited the following generation of young children through youth soldier/patriot organizations.  The Fundies have Jesus camp. Same difference; it's all in the brainwashing.  You have to be taught very carefully how to hate, and whom to hate.

No.  It's very different.  Nazis recruited people for the military; and a bloody takeover of the world.

Brainwashing occurs/ed is both cases, but for completely different ends.

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I think the Fundies would love to exterminate or jail all the homosexuals, all the liberals, atheists, Catholics, Episcopals,pro-choicers, and burn all books and ban all media broadcasts that don't suit their purposes.

That's just ignorant and inflammatory.  I hate fundamental evangelicalism, but I'm not willing to hand over my rationality and common sense just to knock on them.

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I think Fundamentalists are very dangerous to everyone's freedom.

Nonsense.  They're idiots, but they don't have that much control or influence.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

Nazism is a form of fundamentalism.

Nazis think they are descendants of Nordic superhumans whose blood has been watered down by inferior races.

Its a religious belief, and any time religious beliefs are forced on the people, freedom is lost.

Nazis were nihilistic in philosophy.  They may have given lip service to ancient religions, but they were driven by the idea that man was a product of "blood and soil."

The idea that Nazis were "pagan" worshipers is, I hate to say, a simplistic line of propaganda created by the church after there were accusations made against the pope for his complicity with the actions of Hitler.

Sure there were little, religious overtones to Nazi germany, but they had little to do with the nihilism that emerged.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

In all fairness IP, he didnt compare fundamentalist actions to Nazi actions but the similarity of their minds.  

Which I took exception to.  It's difficult for me to compare people who's goal was the extermination of an entire race of people with a religious movement comprised of mainly overweight, coiffured, and poorly dressed TV hucksters and snake oil salesmen.  i don't see a lot of similarity of thought there.

[cannon_fodder]

I understand where you are coming from IP.  However, it is worth noting the tenancies that enabled the Nazi party to pursue its agenda has similarities to the way in which some fundamentalists are able to pursue theirs.  I attempted to articulate some of those similarities and point out the differences in goals.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

In all fairness IP, he didnt compare fundamentalist actions to Nazi actions but the similarity of their minds.  

Which I took exception to.  It's difficult for me to compare people who's goal was the extermination of an entire race of people with a religious movement comprised of mainly overweight, coiffured, and poorly dressed TV hucksters and snake oil salesmen.  i don't see a lot of similarity of thought there.

Oh, you mean like these: