Security of Schools, VA Tech Massacre

[Conan71]

As expected, almost verbatim to what we are used to hearing:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070417/ap_on_re_us/virginia_tech_shooting

[rwarn17588]

Based on what we've heard so far, the shooter went over the deep end because of rejection from a girl.

Sheesh.

If he'd acted like most guys, he would have shrugged it off, turned the page and tried to woo some other female.

[Conan71]

Think I'll go home and clean my SKS.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Based on what we've heard so far, the shooter went over the deep end because of rejection from a girl.

Sheesh.

If he'd acted like most guys, he would have shrugged it off, turned the page and tried to woo some other female.

Geez, have you read the latest?  This kid had red flags all over him.  He fit the "trenchoat mafia" profile to a tee.  They believe he was on meds for depression, had recently set a fire in the dorm, was stalking women, refused to participate in class discussion, wrote "blood-soaked" plays.

If he was seeing a shrink, he should have been flagged on that March purchase.  To be determined.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Has anyone blamed Vision 2025, Lottery, or Indian compacts for this tragedy yet?

Of course not.  It's all George Bush's fault, remember?

[shadows]

We are only a small section of land among many times the surface of water.  We are a violent nation, born in violence, teaching violence, glorify in violence, stretching out to an accusing world our violence.

We cannot secure our borders from importers of human flesh, drugs or guns.   We scream to high heaven when an alien by birthrights conducts themselves in the ways we have taught them.  

We are both the perpetrator and the victim of our own teachings.  We open our borders to those who leave their homelands because of political disagreements but they do not leave the disagreement  at its origin.  The small number of violent incidents are growing.   Unruly groups take over our parks having every tendency to turn violent.  Our streets are unsafe by night.

Deep are the roots of the killings at VT as many tears are shed but the colleges have become as cities and we are going to have to address that problem.  

Morality has become a fact that the news papers are reporting behind closed doors.  The co-ed concept is not deemed to be addressable but the college children are publishing magazines and DVD that will lead to more shootings.  

You have not seen the last of the rebellion as there is much more to come.    

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

We are only a small section of land among many times the surface of water.  We are a violent nation, born in violence, teaching violence, glorify in violence, stretching out to an accusing world our violence.

Eat me.  Try living in Columbia for a while if you want to see violence.

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

We are only a small section of land among many times the surface of water.  We are a violent nation, born in violence, teaching violence, glorify in violence, stretching out to an accusing world our violence.

We cannot secure our borders from importers of human flesh, drugs or guns.   We scream to high heaven when an alien by birthrights conducts themselves in the ways we have taught them.  

We are both the perpetrator and the victim of our own teachings.  We open our borders to those who leave their homelands because of political disagreements but they do not leave the disagreement  at its origin.  The small number of violent incidents are growing.   Unruly groups take over our parks having every tendency to turn violent.  Our streets are unsafe by night.

Deep are the roots of the killings at VT as many tears are shed but the colleges have become as cities and we are going to have to address that problem.  

Morality has become a fact that the news papers are reporting behind closed doors.  The co-ed concept is not deemed to be addressable but the college children are publishing magazines and DVD that will lead to more shootings.  

You have not seen the last of the rebellion as there is much more to come.    

Wow, talk about the glass being half empty!

But hey, on a brighter note, I heard EVEN KANSAS has a carry-conceal law now! Good for them. At least that's one glimmer of hope.

As responsible citizens, we have the right to defend ourselves.

I've got my permit and shoot regularly at Tulsa Firearms.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Based on what we've heard so far, the shooter went over the deep end because of rejection from a girl.

Sheesh.

If he'd acted like most guys, he would have shrugged it off, turned the page and tried to woo some other female.

Geez, have you read the latest?  This kid had red flags all over him.  He fit the "trenchoat mafia" profile to a tee.  They believe he was on meds for depression, had recently set a fire in the dorm, was stalking women, refused to participate in class discussion, wrote "blood-soaked" plays.

If he was seeing a shrink, he should have been flagged on that March purchase.  To be determined.

Yep, many red flags.  Unfortunately, in this case anyhow, he had civil rights which prevented anyone from taking any action until he pointed a weapon at the first victim.  

All he had to do was lie about taking anti-depressants or being treated for depression on his application to buy the firearm.  He still could have bought one on the black market or from a private collector and circumvented the whole back-ground check.

I'm w/ Hawkins I appreciate the right to protect myself and my family.

[RLitterell]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

We are only a small section of land among many times the surface of water.  We are a violent nation, born in violence, teaching violence, glorify in violence, stretching out to an accusing world our violence.

We cannot secure our borders from importers of human flesh, drugs or guns.   We scream to high heaven when an alien by birthrights conducts themselves in the ways we have taught them.  

We are both the perpetrator and the victim of our own teachings.  We open our borders to those who leave their homelands because of political disagreements but they do not leave the disagreement  at its origin.  The small number of violent incidents are growing.   Unruly groups take over our parks having every tendency to turn violent.  Our streets are unsafe by night.

Deep are the roots of the killings at VT as many tears are shed but the colleges have become as cities and we are going to have to address that problem.  

Morality has become a fact that the news papers are reporting behind closed doors.  The co-ed concept is not deemed to be addressable but the college children are publishing magazines and DVD that will lead to more shootings.  

You have not seen the last of the rebellion as there is much more to come.    

Uh.... You sound kinda scarey to me, where is this rebellion going to come from? Are you associated with it?

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Has anyone blamed Vision 2025, Lottery, or Indian compacts for this tragedy yet?

Of course not.  It's all George Bush's fault, remember?

Yep WIlbur. Here is Olberdouche proving your point...

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/17/video-olbermann-blames-bush-for-virginia-tech-massacre/

[cannon_fodder]

So wait, this guy went nuts and shot people because VT is a coed campus?

So is TU, OU, OSU, Roger's State, NSU as well as all the regional schools of KU, KSU, Texas, T Tech, T A&M, Arkansas, hell, the list includes 120+ of the 128 D-I schools.  Even VMI is coed now.

I'm afraid you are lacking in correlation there.  You have U Texas and VT as coed schools with serious shootings in the history of coeducation in America (lets say 60 years).  Then you have a few thousand schools without.  In all of Europe and Japan, as well as Canada, Australia, NZ, and most Latin American countries the vast majority of schools are coed.  As far as I know - they dont suffer from a marked increase in violence either.

Is there something you know that you arent telling us?  I'm so confused.

Here I thought science in higher education was to blame:

quote:
By: Steve on Tuesday, April 17th, 2007 at 5:20 PM - PDT  

In 1999, as the nation was still coming to grips with the tragedy at Columbine High School, then-House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Texas) took to the floor to identify what he saw as the real culprit: science classes. "Our school systems teach the children that they are nothing but glorified apes who are evolutionized [sic] out of some primordial soup," DeLay said. Young people learn modern biology, DeLay said, which in turn makes them feel insignificant, which in turn leads to violence.

This was, of course, one of the more loathsome comments made by one of Congress's more despicable people, but after yesterday's shootings at Virginia Tech, it was only a matter of time before someone who shares DeLay's worldview stepped up to assess yesterday's tragedy the same way.

Enter Ken Ham, a leading creationist activist, who leads an outfit called Answers in Genesis.

   "We live in an era when public high schools and colleges have all but banned God from science classes. In these classrooms, students are taught that the whole universe, including plants and animals — and humans — arose by natural processes. Naturalism (in essence, atheism) has become the religion of the day and has become the foundation of the education system (and Western culture as a whole). The more such a philosophy permeates the culture, the more we would expect to see a sense of purposelessness and hopelessness that pervades people's thinking. In fact, the more a culture allows the killing of the unborn, the more we will see people treating life in general as 'cheap.'"

Ham, it's worth noting, wrote this yesterday. He couldn't even wait 24 hours before connecting the massacre and biology classes.

Of course, it is more likely that the WSJ gets it correct and the fault lies with a demented individual who was able to exploit the freedoms our society granted him to accomplish a horrific act:

quote:The mass murder at Virginia Tech is the kind of traumatic event that unleashes a torrent of pop sociology and national psychoanalysis, so allow us to weigh in with a more fundamental explanation: There are evil and psychotic people in this world willing to do great harm to others if they aren't stopped. The dilemma in a free society is how to stop them.

http://opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110009956


Well, that or because they teach biology in a coed environment.

[Conan71]

I like WSJ's point:

"The mass murder at Virginia Tech is the kind of traumatic event that unleashes a torrent of pop sociology and national psychoanalysis, so allow us to weigh in with a more fundamental explanation: There are evil and psychotic people in this world willing to do great harm to others if they aren't stopped. The dilemma in a free society is how to stop them."

Sure isn't any shortages of people wanting to be the next Dr. Phil on the airwaves the last few days.  Larry King is even using the "real" Dr. Phil as his pop-psychoanalist.

Sure is good business for the mass media.  They just love sh!t like this.[B)]

[Chicken Little]

ABC News

quote: a district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho presented "an imminent danger to self or others."

/That guy should not have been able to buy a gun in March.

[iplaw]

Seems like a breakdown in the system.  I believe that Virginia is a state that has extremely low standards for gun purchasers...