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[altruismsuffers]

Wow finally some good local news braodcasting!  

TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (1 of 3)

TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (2 of 3)

TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (3 of 3)

[iplaw]

Oh boy!  YouTube Troof TV videos!

I have a slogan for you...

TulsaTruth TV: Information minus the Truth and the TV.

BTW, How's Rosie doing?  I bet you're glad that fatty's on your side.  [}:)]

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by altruismsuffers

Wow finally some good local news braodcasting!  

TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (1 of 3)

TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (2 of 3)

TulsaTruth TV Episode 1 (3 of 3)

So which one of the mohawk morons is you?

Moderators, I believe this is spamming isn't it?

[iplaw]

[cannon_fodder]

First of all Alti, go respond to the last post you made where I completely and totally discredited you within minutes.  You never seem to respond to anything you dont like as if we are all going to forget you are an ignorant fool.

On with the show.

Episode 1:

Drum protest, awesome.  I havent seen one of them since PCU.  Although it could have been a 20 second bite "there was a protest march of diverse people etc. etc."

The best part was how it starts going into 911 conspiracy theories from nowhere.   "We need to bring our troops home..." then it goes directly into "Bush Lies" and tin foil hats.  Basically all the talking points you get if you google "conspiracy & 911"

I did enjoy the one standout from the heard, when asked about 911 instead of saying "its a conspiracy!" the pastor instead said he wished the administration would have reflected on the root causes of the middle East strife.

episode 2:

The coffin delivery was a good way to protest.  If you are against the war or are afraid to see your loved ones go to war, basically, if you are going to protest - that's the way to do it.

They wanted:
1) bring the troops home
2) stop using Haliburton as a contractor
3) and End the war as soon as possible


I'm not entirely sure how #2 fits in nor what alternatives there are to using them.  I've gone over this at length previously and wont bother doing so again.  If we replaced them, there would just be another corporation filling the spot that these people would line up to hate.

Then it goes to more drumming and 911.  We want war in Iraq because we hate them and fear them.  They want them to end the war because they love and understand.  Its all so clear now.

"Bring the troops home.  Cut off spending.  Kill homeland security & patriot act.  Bring the troops home.  Stop hate.  We are compassionate, knowledgeable, and we love our country.  Repeat.  Call war supporters hating war mongers.  Repeat.  Variations.  Repeat. "

They also display 655,000 as the number of Iraqi's killed as if it were hard fact (alongside the # of American's killed, which is hard fact).  When search for statistics, the 655K is by far the HIGHEST number I could find.  The number varies from 120,000 to 655,000 including dead Iraqi soldiers while they were fighting our invasion and insurgent deaths (ie. dead enemies).  It is irresponsible to report either number as fact.

Episode 3:
1)
The report on the Mexican American war was totally irrelevant as soon as they said the American's "kidnapped the Mexican President."  They over simplified the entire situation and failed to mention that the president had proclaimed himself dictator for life and was actively leading an army on a March burning Texas to the ground.

They made it sound like Santa Ana was sitting in his office praying to the Holy Virgin and American's marched in to Mexico D.F. and took him hostage.  

Not that it wasnt an ugly affair.  It was for sure a provoked conflict designed to gain land for the USA.  So why speak about it in hyperbole?  "We stole all those states from Mexico after provoking a war with them?  That's horrible."  They could check their history a little further and see that Spain stole it from the Indians and that the Mexican's stole it from Spain.  Then we stole it from them.  Ahhh, the circle of life.

2)
Spanish American war was equally horrible.  We moved it there "to protect from :hand quotes:Spanish Aggression:end hand quotes:."  They flat out said that we put powder kegs next to the boiler to blow up our own ship and kill hundreds of our own men.  A claim that is frequently raised in tinfoil hat clubs and equally debunked by historians.

They neglected to mention that we found out it was a boil explosion about 120 years later and that there were other underlying reason for the war.  Or, for that matter... that we granted freedom to the previously colonial nations of Guam, the Philippines, Cuba etc.   We did NOT take over the islands we granted them independence with the exception of Guam and Puerto Rico - which chose to join the USA as protectorates and receive federal benni's but pay no taxes.  Rough deal.

3)
WWI is my favorite.  They again made it sound like there was one trigger that caused America to enter the war.  The sinking of the Lusitania was NOT the only reason for the war nor do we really know to this day what was on board.  It is strongly believed that it was acting as a munitions ship, but we dont know that.  Reporting it as fact is irresponsible.  

It is likely that the British were happy with the outcome.  But there is no evidence that the British intentionally sent the ship to be destroyed.  Convoys were not in common usage at this time and passenger ships had largely been spared - that's why it was a big deal when it was sunk.  Thus, there was nothing strange about a lone ship in spite of what the tinfoil hats want to say.

again there is no proof that says "the British intentionally sent American's to die in order to force America into saving her in World War I."  Again, the event was certainly used for this purpose and turned the nation from isolationist to pro-war but not in as deviant a way as claimed.

Here I thought the greater issue was the threat to long time allies, American trade, and the survival of 2/3's of the world democracies.

4) WWII
Wow, all of my history professors and the books I have read failed to mention that we intentionally provoked Japan to attack us and wanted at least 2,000 US service men to die while having half our fleet sunk.  That sounds like a really bad war plan to me.

I was also taught that we knew of threats from Japan and that is why we forced an embargo, aided China, and sent a fleet to protect the Philippines.   Man, and yet again, being the idiot that I am, I was under the impression that communications between outposts in the Hawaiian Island and DC were slow in 1941 and THATS why the communication wasnt received in time.  From Hawaiian outpost to command to translation and back command then to California to DC to analysis and then to the talking heads and then to the president in a few hours was farkin' amazing in 1941.  They couldnt email it.

"Imperialism has been a driving force in America since the beginning.  We will manipulate the public and even kill them to gain our imperial goals."

That explains why we currently force taxes on our concurred lands of:

England
France
Cuba
Mexico
Panama
Nicaragua
Afghanistan
Iraq
Germany
Italy
Libia
Egypt
South Korea
Japan
Most of Indonesia
Austria
Belgium
Spain
and many more.

We conquered and or occupied all of those countries at some point.  Yet for some reason we turned them back over to their inhabitants.  That's a bad business model for an empire.

Oh, and its a good thing our government is so much smarter than Spain, Mexico, Germany or Japan and they all fell cleverly into our devious traps without tipping off the public. I always thought our government was hyper competent.
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From TulsaTruth.org

What we are not:
   *  conspiracy theorists
   * liberal Bush-haters
   * un-American
   * sheeple
   * Trekies
   * gullible conformists
   * neoconservatives
   * warmoungers
   * idiots
   * trouble-makers
   * violent lawbreakers.

Most of those are wrong...

1) Many conspiracies were advanced as fact.  911, the Main, WWI, WWII, and the Iraq war to name a few.  Lucky you know the truth and are so much smarter than everyone else.
2) You certainly are liberal and you professor your hatred for GW openly.  How is it you claim you are not a liberal Bush hater?  That pretty well pegs the definition.
3)Gullible Conformists - you are conforming to every conspiracy theory on every major American war in history. This also implies that those who disagree with you are - a backhanded insult is certainly the most cowardly.
4) Neoconservative - ignoring the fact you imply its bad, then you are correct.
5) Warmoungers - I assume you mean Warm-O-ngers (no U).  Again, back handedly implying that anyone in support of trying to stabilize Iraq is a warmonger.
6)Idiots.
7) You are intentionally trying to make trouble.  What else would the point be of bringing coffins to a congressman's office?  Its to cause trouble.  That isnt always a bad thing, but it is certainly the point.


Someone has watched too many Michael Moore films.  Canadian Bacon is as much a documentary as the rest of this work.  You know that rat actually did get an interview with Roger and chose not to show the footage because he thought it would be more effective?  I turned on him the moment I learned that.

Anyway, I appreciate the different view points being raised.  But too many people are too stupid to just present anything as fact and trust that people can sort it out.  Doing so is promoting ignorance as much as the creationists you despise.

ps. longest post ever.

[si_uk_lon_ok]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder




That explains why we currently force taxes on our concurred lands of:

England
France
Cuba
Mexico
Panama
Nicaragua
Afghanistan
Iraq
Germany
Italy
Libia
Egypt
South Korea
Japan
Most of Indonesia
Austria
Belgium
Spain
and many more.

We conquered and or occupied all of those countries at some point.  

The US has never conquered and or occupied England. Unless you are counting having US bases in a country as occupying.

[RLitterell]

I tried to watch the first episode.... Couldn't get past the hair.....[)]

[si_uk_lon_ok]

Sorry another thing that got me going. I know what you were trying to mean in the last post, but when you referred to England I am quite sure you didn't mean England.

England is constituent country within the United Kingdom. To say England when you mean United Kingdom is a bit like saying New York when you mean the USA. As in"New York, Canada and the UK landed on the beaches of Normandy on D-day". I take it that when you mean England you actually mean England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, in which case you should use United Kingdom.

Here is a wikipedia definition for you:

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a sovereign state occupying the island of Great Britain, the small nearby islands (but not the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands), and the North-Eastern part of the island of Ireland. Often shortened to 'United Kingdom', 'UK' or Britain.

The island of Great Britain comprises of England, Scotland and Wales.

[guido911]

I saw episode 1 and I have only I question: Where can I go to get the last seven minutes of my life back?

What a freakshow of uneducated mor[a]ns. The topper has to be that "blame America first" minister. He's right, we should not have gotten back to our lives after 9/11.  Instead, we should have thought about (and perhaps still be thinking about) what we did to make those hijackers so mad.

Oh, and to whoever criticized the newscasters haircut, maybe it is me but that look gives the truth movement all the credibility it needs...

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by teddy jack eddy

His opinions are presented as if they were fact.

I'm confused.  Was it the fact that his post acutally made logical sense, that they were written in proper English, or that they actually contained information as opposed to propaganda?

Do you have anything to offer that discredits his post or are you just happy to be a librul and wanted to let us all know?

[altruismsuffers]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

I saw episode 1 and I have only I question: Where can I go to get the last seven minutes of my life back?

What a freakshow of uneducated mor[a]ns. The topper has to be that "blame America first" minister. He's right, we should not have gotten back to our lives after 9/11.  Instead, we should have thought about (and perhaps still be thinking about) what we did to make those hijackers so mad.

Oh, and to whoever criticized the newscasters haircut, maybe it is me but that look gives the truth movement all the credibility it needs...

I must say one thing... You can call us all the names you want but it's not going to change the fact that we are at the very least trying to make our world a better place.

 Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here.  I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.

[iplaw]

quote:I must say one thing... You can call us all the names you want but it's not going to change the fact that we are at the very least trying to make our world a better place.

And we will continue to mock you whenever you show your face.  You start debates, then lose, then run away for a month...Repeat.  We're all tired of you.

Either have the cajones to finish the debates you start or go away for good.

quote:
Cannon Fodder even though I do not agree with you I applaud you for discussing the MESSAGE instead of name calling because of haircuts like some of the other folks on here.  I will be happy to discuss the information further because you seem reasonable unlike nearly every other brainiac on this forrum.

My bet is that you 1) Never respond, and run away;  2) Respond one more time and get spanked again, then run away.

BTW brainiac, forum is spelled with one "r."

[cannon_fodder]

si_uk_lon_ok - I understand the England/UK thing (though I would argue England's influence over the UK is much greater than NY's over the USA).  Not really sure what I was thinking when I wrote that as I drafted the entire thing in pieces and on the fly throughout the day.  Perhaps just that England under the guise of Great Britain lost a couple of wars to the US and suffered no retribution.  

A gaff I suppose on my part, good call.

[guido911]

Incidentally ALT, by quoting Twain, are you placing yourself or the other truthers in the category of a "patriot"? Because when I think of a patriot, I think of the soldier fighting for our freedoms and not two mini-mohawk tv host wanabes whose tin foil hats are on too tight.

[Conan71]

So Alt, are you one of the chicken mohawkers?