The surge is working!

[iplaw]

quote:
The way you are able to blindly ignore all facts that are in conflict with your twisted and fake world view reminds me of someone...


Who is it?


Altruism. You are the right's version of that fool.

You know....if you didn't lose every debate you had with me I'd almost be inclined to agree with you.  

As to being a fool, I'm not the one who's sleeping with Captain Obvious, and feels the need to post to news stories that everyone who has a search engine can read for themselves.  Your posts remind me of a 4 year old who's just tied his shoes for the first time.  Everyone is VERY impressed wiff your intertubes skillz.

BTW, if you're looking for a fool, just step into you bathroom and have a look in the mirror.

[Conan71]

JDB- in the interest of brevity I'm not re-quoting your entire post.  A- time and B- proper decorum to not create tedious posts.

The media looks for stories that generate viewership and readership.  Blood and guts sells a lot better than success.  There are two stories which can be told out of Iraq, the major media outlets are choosing to go with the negative because it's more compelling.  The media really doesn't care who wins or loses a battle, they just want to make money.

That has created a negative sentiment toward the war and Democrats are gloming onto a populist view from a public which is largely ignorant of military operations and is getting only filtered information out of the battle-front.  Dems are going where they think the votes are.  I assure you that if 75% of the American population were in favor of our present military operations, they wouldn't be coming out against the war.  The reason the polls show low approval on the war is due to a selective media campaign that isn't giving the full story and a power-hungry political climate in Washington that is willing to ignore what the experts in warfare are saying is needed.  That has gone both ways.  I'm glad Rummy is gone.

Democrats want a pull out, but I have not heard a single word about what happens to Iraq then.  This is a window-dressing fight by Democrats to prepare for '08.  In case you didn't notice, the '08 campaigns started even before the victors in the '06 mid-term were sworn into office.

I'm too young to remember, but I doubt the Tulsa World ran a daily death toll in Viet Nam, Korea, WWII or WWI.  I do know though, by the statistics, the daily losses in Iraq are vastly less, yet there is a Hobbs meter running on the death toll that only feeds people who don't understand nor care what it costs to have a safe world.  

I find much more security and confidence in military commanders who are saying we need to step this up and to pull out now would be a major disaster.  Not the negative talking points of the DNC which have little basis in reality other than the reality of wanting to win the White House at all costs, including national and international security.

[jdb]

"That has created a negative sentiment toward the war..." - conan

Media will bend a story around to generate ratings, nature of the beast, and why I detest Fox, but it can't create something from nothing.

The media created WMD's?
The media told us to go stomping over the border to Iraq with out an exit plan?
The media told us we could, and I quote loosely, kick donkey in a few days and be back for New years?
The media created the War debt to date?
The media created the 47 serviceman funerals I've escorted in the last year?

War does not exist in a vaccume: political pandering, public opinon, and resource's all play vital parts.

Now if there were 200K Iraqi recruits, of courage and integrity, lining up to take the reins of their own damn Country this might not be such a house of cards waiting for us to turn our back.

jdb


Hey ip,  Obviously you've shot your snot-load...so, what part of "up your's" do you not understand? Type it too fast?

[iplaw]

quote:Media will bend a story around to generate ratings, nature of the beast, and why I detest Fox, but it can't create something from nothing.

[}:)]  Paging Dan Rather...but I supposed that the media bending stories isn;t offensive as long as it's anti-Bush. [xx(]

quote:Hey ip,  Obviously you've shot your snot-load...so, what part of "up your's" do you not understand? Type it too fast?

I've got a great idea for you big-shot.  How 'bout using that Ignore User function?  Nobody's forcing you to respond to me, and frankly, your obsession with me is just creepy.

Is it 4:20 yet?

Conan:

Have fun responding to the rest of that.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by jdb

"That has created a negative sentiment toward the war..." - conan

Media will bend a story around to generate ratings, nature of the beast, and why I detest Fox, but it can't create something from nothing.

The media created WMD's?
The media told us to go stomping over the border to Iraq with out an exit plan?
The media told us we could, and I quote loosely, kick donkey in a few days and be back for New years?
The media created the War debt to date?
The media created the 47 serviceman funerals I've escorted in the last year?

War does not exist in a vaccume: political pandering, public opinon, and resource's all play vital parts.

Now if there were 200K Iraqi recruits, of courage and integrity, lining up to take the reins of their own damn Country this might not be such a house of cards waiting for us to turn our back.

jdb


Hey ip,  Obviously you've shot your snot-load...so, what part of "up your's" do you not understand? Type it too fast?

One non-sequitur after another.  Got anything better to offer?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:
The way you are able to blindly ignore all facts that are in conflict with your twisted and fake world view reminds me of someone...


Who is it?


Altruism. You are the right's version of that fool.

You know....if you didn't lose every debate you had with me I'd almost be inclined to agree with you.  

As to being a fool, I'm not the one who's sleeping with Captain Obvious, and feels the need to post to news stories that everyone who has a search engine can read for themselves.  Your posts remind me of a 4 year old who's just tied his shoes for the first time.  Everyone is VERY impressed wiff your intertubes skillz.

BTW, if you're looking for a fool, just step into you bathroom and have a look in the mirror.

Won every debate? All you have done here is proven yourself an easily deceived fool.

Really, all anyone would have to do to take all of your money is say "I have bridge I'd like to sell. Karl Rove and Tony Snow say it's a really great buy". Done deal.

Your posts consist of half-truths and weakly referenced facts that only somewhat support whatever discredited position you want to take and then dismissing all facts that are contrary to your point of view as lies, old news or liberal bias. The only contest you ever win is the last person talking, but only a child would assume that means you are the "winner".

Your posts have the air of a child's temper tantrum and are about as well thought out.

If the subject weren't so serious this whole thread would be funny to read.

[jdb]

"One non-sequitur after another." - conan

These lawmakers (some Republicans on Capitol Hill) are advocating proposals that would tie the U.S. commitment in the war to the Iraqi government's ability to demonstrate that it is working to quell the sectarian conflict. - Noam N. Levey and Janet Hook, Times Staff Writers


"Iraqi politicians said Thursday the break might not happen or may be less than two months, but said it should be of no concern to U.S. lawmakers." - ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer

More manufactured Media Tripe to sell papers?


But nah, I'll sign out with the above.
I give...as evidentally were just spinning wheels here.

[iplaw]

quote:Won every debate? All you have done here is proven yourself an easily deceived fool.

Keep shovelin' it swake.

quote:
Your posts consist of half-truths and weakly referenced facts that only somewhat support whatever discredited position you want to take and then dismissing all facts that are contrary to your point of view as lies, old news or liberal bias. The only contest you ever win is the last person talking, but only a child would assume that means you are the "winner".

Please point out these half-truths and weakly referenced facts.  In fact, I believe that I shut you up recently with some citations to stories confirming my assertion that Saddam was buying missiles from NK when you whined that I was lying.
 

quote:
Your posts have the air of a child's temper tantrum and are about as well thought out.

I think your re-reading your own posts dear Kettle.

Again, please point out anything I've said that you feel is untruthful and I'll gladly support my premise with the appropriate factual bases.  Unlike most people around here, I research my opinons thoroughly before repeating them publicly.

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