Police may help find illegals,it's about time.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by DM

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by DM

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
They will be enforcing the usual laws and protecting the public.  Now they will ask a person to prove legal status, if they cannot, INS is to be contacted and handle them from there.  

And who will they ask? Just the brown people right? So if you are white, then this has nothing to do with you and we know that no white person has ever done any terrorist or major crime before. Right.

Why are you assuming this?  I think the Fort Dix situation argues against you.  Do you have any proof to back up this claim, or are you just prematurely attributing racist motives before the law is even enacted?

What's wrong with this law if everyone that's arrested has to prove citizenship.  It's a low threshold of proof to prove your legality.

My apologies. (and don't get use to that either but I will admit when I am wrong. lol!) I misread the article.

quote: If approved, the plan would require Tulsa police officers to ask anyone arrested for a felony if they are in this country legally

Moving along.
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Thank God you re-read it before they get to Reverend Orta's sound bites on the afternoon drive news.  He will make it sound like a "brown round-up" and paint images of brutalized Hispanics.  Nothing like a little mis-informed hysteria. []

[South_Tulsan]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

Mayor Kathy Taylor finally does something right, which is to end Tulsa's sanctuary policy for illegals. The most amazing thing about the article title is the fact it is titled "Police may help find illegals",they actually call illegals "illegals" instead of "undocumented workers",undocumented immigrants",immigrants",or "undocumented americans".

http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=d994510e-ab85-49cc-94ae-5d127281bee0
The intent is to stop the illegals involved in the worst crimes.  If approved, the plan would require Tulsa police officers to ask anyone arrested for a felony if they are in this country legally.


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City councilman John Eagleton and Mayor Kathy Taylor worked together to write the resolution.  "I'm unaware of any compelling reason why the city of Tulsa should not be protecting its citizens", Eagleton said.

The resolution requires Tulsa police officers to ask anyone arrested for a felony if they're in the country legally.  And if they can't prove that they are, immigration officials will be called.



That's something that isn't happening now.  "We occasionally arrest them for felonies but we don't bother to tell the federal government that they're here and how many of them there are", Eagleton said.

And how many times did you worry about this issue before 9/11?

Hmmm??

Its amazing how a few Saudi terrorists managed to bring down the world trade towers, destroy the U.S. constitution, ruin a presidency, and make America such a hateful neighbor, all in one day!

Its pretty ironic if you think about it.

Show me, Jamesrage, that you ever posted on this topic anywhere before 9/11/01, and that you are not a victim of talk-radio propaganda, and then I'll be truly amazed.

Your signature justs smacks of Babylon 5 Nightwatch. It is truly scary. If the government asked you to, I'm sure you'd have no problem kicking down peoples' doors at night and hauling them off to be tortured at the police station, because nothing is worse than a traitor, or so you say.

Let me see if I can come up with a simple sig like yours... okay here's a good one:

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Every war results from the struggle for markets and spheres of influence, and every war is sold to the public by professional liars and totally sincere religious maniacs, as a Holy Crusade to save God and Goodness from Satan and Evil.

--Robert Anton Wilson

[iplaw]

When did anyone mention security in this thread?  I think there is a convincing enough argument that can be made for this law even without playing the terrorism card.  It would be important to note here that the illegals involved in the Fort Dix fiasco crossed the Mexican border into Brownsville.

[mr.jaynes]

Tell ya what, though: These illegals often have a better work ethic than some people.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Tell ya what, though: These illegals often have a better work ethic than some people.

I don't know that anyone is disputing that.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Tell ya what, though: These illegals often have a better work ethic than some people.

Still doesn't change the "illegal" aspect of their existence here.  

Good work ethic appears to be inherent to their culture.  They will also do work others won't or consider beneath them.  Ever been inside a meat packing or animal by-product rendering plant?  Yeech!

Ever notice how you never hear "lazy Mexican" jokes anymore?

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Tell ya what, though: These illegals often have a better work ethic than some people.

Good work ethic appears to be inherent to their culture.  

Ever notice how you never hear "lazy Mexican" jokes anymore?

And that's not even the half of it: the quality of work is often comparable or even superior.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by DM

quote:Originally posted by Conan71
They will be enforcing the usual laws and protecting the public.  Now they will ask a person to prove legal status, if they cannot, INS is to be contacted and handle them from there.  

And who will they ask? Just the brown people right? So if you are white, then this has nothing to do with you and we know that no white person has ever done any terrorist or major crime before. Right.

I'm curious how most of you are going to prove your citizenship.  What do you carry on your person that identifies you as a US citizen?  What do you have at home that proves you are a US citizen?  Sounds like the only people who can actually prove citizenship are those who are here on visas because they are issued papers by the government proving they are here legally.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

And how many times did you worry about this issue before 9/11?

And this is relevant how?This is not relevant.

quote:
Its amazing how a few Saudi terrorists managed to bring down the world trade towers, destroy the U.S. constitution, ruin a presidency, and make America such a hateful neighbor, all in one day!

Its pretty ironic if you think about it.

When did wanting our borders secured equal to hatred and destroying the US constitution? Last tie I checked illegals are not citizens.Mexico secures their southern border and has tougher immigration laws than we do.Does than mean Mexico hates central and south America and the rest of the world?

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/lillpop022707.htm
#  in the country legally;
# have the means to sustain themselves economically;
# not destined to be burdens on society;
# of economic and social benefit to society;
# of good character and have no criminal records; and
# contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:
# immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
# foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
# foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country's internal politics;
# foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
# foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
# those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

#

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
# Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
# Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
# Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
# The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
# Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
# A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
# A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
# Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
# Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
# Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
# Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
# Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
# "A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
# Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
# Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
# A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
# Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

quote:
Show me, Jamesrage, that you ever posted on this topic anywhere before 9/11/01, and that you are not a victim of talk-radio propaganda, and then I'll be truly amazed.

Before 9/11 I was not into politics I didn't even a computer,internet or any of that **** and during 9/11 I was busy serving in the US Army and the illegal immigration problem and lack of border security is not something the media generally advertises that much.If the media advertised the illegal immigration problem and the lack of border security every day like they do Iraq,something would actually be done about the border and all those illegals would be kicked out and the anchor baby practice would end right now.

Where did you come up with this dee dee dee retarded notion that one has to listen to talk radio in order to care about illegal immigration and our borders?Hell if knew we had a problem back then,I would have cared about the issue of illegal immigration and the lack of border security back then just as I do today. 12-20 million people illegally in this country is a huge problem.State and local governments should do the job that the federal government won't do.Isn't ironic that the traitors in the federal government use that line "they just doing the jobs Americans won't do" and state and local governments have to do the jobs that the federal government won't do?

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I'm curious how most of you are going to prove your citizenship.  What do you carry on your person that identifies you as a US citizen?  

Social security card,U.S. birth certificate and a Oklahoma driver's license. Last time I checked illegals do not have any of those and with the age of computers those things can be verified.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

I'm curious how most of you are going to prove your citizenship.  What do you carry on your person that identifies you as a US citizen?  

First-off, I don't plan on committing any felonies.  Other than that, I only carry my OK DL on me unless I'm travelling out of the country.  The last thing I want is for some crook to steal my wallet and wind up with both my DL and SS card.  I definitely don't keep my birth certificate in my truck.

Should I assume from your question that the police are scratching their heads on how they are going to verify citizenship?

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage


Social security card,U.S. birth certificate and a Oklahoma driver's license. Last time I checked illegals do not have any of those and with the age of computers those things can be verified.

With the age of computers it's easy to fake these things too.  That's a large reason so many illegals are able to hoodwink honest employers and how dishonest employers are able to claim ignorance.

[tim huntzinger]

I carry a state-issued DL which carries with it the understanding that at some previous point I supplied the necessary documentation.

I heard our do-nothing Congressman mention on some radio show this morning that without the TPD documenting the number of catch-and-releases that an ICE office is unlikely.  I wonder if he and the Sherriff have ever had their sit-down to arrange funding to 'train' the deputies how to arrest illegals.  I wonder why the FOP has been dragging its feet on the issue.  I wonder if there will be only harsh words at the Council meeting tonight or if the time has come that hot-heads and gas-bags converge and detonate.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Tell ya what, though: These illegals often have a better work ethic than some people.

I don't know that anyone is disputing that.

I dispute that, if you are trying to imply that legal workers don't. I know plenty of legal workers that have a work horse work ethic. Union businesses and workers are some of the best in the state. You have to be, to stay in business in a corrupt sanctuary state like Oklahoma, where they compete with illegal low wage employers utilizing all available means to cheat the system and exploit their workers.

[Hawkins]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage

quote:Originally posted by South_Tulsan

And how many times did you worry about this issue before 9/11?

And this is relevant how?This is not relevant.

LOL, it certainly is because it shows that your way of thinking on this issue has been conditioned by the Hannity's and Ingram's of the talk radio world.

As for whatever else you wrote, cliff notes, please.

I did notice from another thread that you throw the word "traitor" around seemingly at the drop of a hat. Members of Congress I think you were referring to.

Another example of your weak-minded capitulation to far right propaganda.

[iplaw]

9/11 isn't relevant to the conversation any more than burritos are just because we're talking about people from Mexico.  He did not bring up the issue, and never made a reference to terrorism.  Go fish.