Starting to Limit the Rumble & Roar-5/30 Meeting

[Bledsoe]

Many citizens of Tulsa have become increasingly concerned about loud motorcycle noise, particularly in and near residential neighborhoods.  City Councilor Cason Carter has set a meeting on Wednesday, May 30, 5 p.m. in Rm 201, City Hall to discuss these concerns and to begin working on a cooperative plan of education and enforcement preliminary to the Brookside Rumble & Roar charity event on June 7.

The meeting will be attended by neighborhood leaders and residents, bar and restaurant owners, motor cycle dealers and riders.  Representatives from the police, neighborhood inspections and the mayor's office are expected to attend.  If you have concerns and want to help design a constructive and fair solution to what many regard as a growing noise pollution and safety problem, please try and attend.  Pass this information on to others.

For further information contact me, Greg Bledsoe, bledsoe@aol.com

[RecycleMichael]

I can barely hear the motorcycles because of all the weed-eaters, leaf-blowers, and loud car stereos in my neighborhood.

[sgrizzle]

While I'm all for following the law, it seems that many times it's the bikers and bar owners who are getting the short end of it. Didn't the blue rose close down after the bikes were made to leave? Aren't the bikers putting a large chunk of cash INTO brookside?

There are a large contingent of bikers who go by the slogan "loud pipes save lives" and have loud exhaust for the purpose of protection because vehicles regularly make lane changes into motorcyclists and injure/kill them. Now I know there has to be maximum noise limit etc, but I know there are plenty of people in the brookside area who just want the bikes gone and I think that is wrong.

[tim huntzinger]

So the City Council needs to pass another freaking resolution directing the TPD to perform some action or another? Good luck!  The FOP has not the nads to move on illegal immigration, and we think they will ticket housewives on Harleys? Ha ha!

Now, despite being on FOX23 a few years ago expressing disgruntlement about the noise of the loyyahs in leather, I am not inclined to give the TPD another task they do not want to do.  The howling of starving musicians into the wee hours of the morning echoing over Brookside bugs me a lot more, to be honest.  But again, asking the TPD to enforce the laws is like pulling teeth, they just do not have the capacity to do it.

And what about weenie whitey wannabes and they thigzzle mizzle? (OH! ICE CUBE is in de hoooouse!)

Well, here is hoping, and I am glad someone is taking leadership.

[tim huntzinger]

I hate to double post, but for the record I am not one of the people who want bikes gone.  I have not heard any neighborhood talk about the noise, and have never heard that it is an issue.

As far as 'noise saves,' so do helmets and the jerks who have the bikes that can be heard two miles away rarely wear helmets.  The offenders are a small group of the cycle community who have a serious case of look-at-me syndrome.  I truly believe the worst offenders are a few dozen a-holes who have modified their bikes to the nth degree to be obnoxious.

If the biking community cannot nicely pull their bald, goateed pals over and say cool it than the whole biking community is going to bear the blame.

There are a lot fewer bikes on Brookside these days.  One supposes they have found other places to cruise.

[rwarn17588]

I'm no fan or rider of motorcycles, but I think this resolution is B.S.

To those whiners in Brookside: HELLLOOOO! You live in a CITY! Traffic noise is part of the equation, whether it's from big rigs, rusty pickups or motorcycles.

I just don't understand people who move to a major metro area and expect it to be like in middle of rural New Mexico at 4 a.m.

And guess what? In the country, it tends to get noisy, too, with roosters, dogs, coyotes, cows, crows, cicadas and about a zillion other critters.

[jdb]

Tim - Sounds like someone on a motorcycle sneered at you when you were young which left a last impression.

Sure, as with every crowd there are people who give everyone else a bad name. The motorcycle community, being what it is, and to some degree misunderstood,  is an easy target. However, your point of a few "a holes" which is valid was lost by taking a cheap shot at an easy target.

There are several ways to address loud pipes, which is becoming a popular move across the country, by a particular few, to make life more quiet.

Personally, I think the resources of the few cops we have are better directed at violent crime and hazardous drivers then the volume of ones vehicle in order to protect the poor sound isolation of a few homes.

Even the quick passing rumble of some a$$hole cracking his pipes in order to show off.

jdb

And why did you have to cloud the issue by dragging helmets into your arguement?

The arguement for helmets saving lives is important but only as a last line of defense. Before that comes several efforts to keep one from needing one's helmet.
To boot, there are facts inside the grey area that show helmets have no value, or actually hinder, the rider.

The racer on 169 was not helped by wearing his helmet.

My brother was not killed on his ride from not wearing a helmet. His head was fine, internal injuries did him in.

Not everyone wants to roll around in a cage.
Motorbikes are on the road.
Majority of MC fatalities are not from bikes running over other bikes.
I know loud pipes to have saved me from going over on numerous accounts but I ride quiet through sleepy hoods, unlike the dude in his hopped up '72 Camero.

A$$holes abound, eh?

Sure, racing city streets is wrong as it puts others at a risk they didn't sign up for.
Sure, the rumble of a pipe next to someone at an intersection can interfer with their phone conversation.
Just as rolling out on a stretch of highway with the wind in your face on a nice day gives some people stuck in a crappy car something to ***** about.
which to all of the above there are solutions.

Seat belts in cages are accredited with saving lives. But the focus should be on paying attention so that preventable accidents are avoided. That said, there are cases where NOT wearing a seat belt has saved lives.

Blanket statemnets on either side are not helpful nor is taking shots at some bald, dude on a chopper....what's it you that he's got no hair?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

I'm no fan or rider of motorcycles, but I think this resolution is B.S.

To those whiners in Brookside: HELLLOOOO! You live in a CITY! Traffic noise is part of the equation, whether it's from big rigs, rusty pickups or motorcycles.

I just don't understand people who move to a major metro area and expect it to be like in middle of rural New Mexico at 4 a.m.

And guess what? In the country, it tends to get noisy, too, with roosters, dogs, coyotes, cows, crows, cicadas and about a zillion other critters.

By your logic the quiet zone downtown is unnecessary. Will you say the same thing when the good folks of red fork come calling for a quiet zone like downtown over there, Mr. Mayor? Will you tell them that's what they get for living by a railroad?

[rwarn17588]

The good folks of Red Fork know what they're getting into and, as a result, don't complain.

Noise from the train, traffic from I-244 and a nearby factory are part of the usual din.

[jdb]

But rwarn, motorcycles are gas sippers - how can you not be a fan?

Trains blasting off their horns are:

A, to piss off sleepy people?
B, to alert bums to wake up and get off the tracks?
C, to harken us back to a time in history when the Train meant: progress, prosperity, and the arrival of person and word from distance places?

That trains have a set route puts them in a different realm of "noise pollution" then that of motorcycles - but show-off's aside - "Loud Horns Saves Lives", no?

Is not what works for the steam engine also good for the puny motorbike?

It's to be seen what Carson is attempting to do here, other then the obvious address and possible appeasal of a few voters, but I am looking forward to seeing some colors come out of those in attendance.

jdb

[rwarn17588]

Trains blasting their horns is mainly to alert people that they're coming and to not go around the crossing gates (which drivers sometimes do).

Railroad folks will tell you that many, many car-train crashes occur when folks go around the crossgates, thinking erroneously that everything's clear or that they're malfunctioning.

And jdb, don't you have someplace else more comfortable to rest your head than on a set of iron rails? []

[jdb]

"Trains blasting their horns is mainly to alert people that they're coming..." - rwarn

Motorbikes are "blasting" pipes for much the same reason: allbeit a selfish pursuit of staying alive.

Comfort is for sissies!

[RecycleMichael]

Most motorcycles don't blast the sound levels that rattle my windows, but there are a few that really do.

What is the current law on noise and how difficult is it to identify these bikes?

[inteller]

they don't need to pass any new ordinances.  They need to enforce the ones in place.  City ordinance prohibits modification to the exhaust system in any way that makes it louder.  Officers need to get trained in the ways motorcycle riders fool the cops by removing the baffles and putting in screws to thwart a "stick check".

There are PLENTY of factory shipped exhausts that are loud enough to make drivers aware and not change lanes into them.  That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard.  The stock exhaust sound on your average HD is plenty loud.

[jdb]

I can't quote you the Tulsa Statues: but here and elsewhere - excluding the infamous Cave Creek Crack-down's occurring aorund the counrty - what's typically metted out is the A%%hole guy cracking his pipes get's a citation while everyone else just attempting to be semi-polite is ignored.

How long was the statue for loud audio enforced?
One day?


"The stock exhaust sound on your average HD is plenty loud." - int.

Spoken like one who knows better, but doesn't.