Starting to Limit the Rumble & Roar-5/30 Meeting

[daddys little squirt]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


We can argue round and round about cicadas, leaf blowers, loud music, kids loving it when you rev it up, and all of that.  But ya have to admit those super loud bikes are annoying when they go by.  Even if they aren't to you, I bet if we were to take a vote a good majority of people would.

The very fact that there are laws against certain types of loud noises means I can't be too alone and crazy in my opinion that those loud bikes are annoying.

I really think its sad that there has to be a law or ordinance against things like loud music in your car or in the neighboring apartment or about loud bikes. I often like listening to loud music but I try to be aware of when it may be annoying to others, like at a stop light or along Brookside, and turn it down.  I just think thats being considerate.

Of course the cicadas aren't the problem. I thought you might see the absurdity of trying to quiet down a city when even the country is loud. But temporarily so.

I also detest the straight pipe cycles. Last Friday nite two of them startled me in traffic in the middle of Brookside.  But it was a temporary noise and self limiting. By that I mean the drivers are terminally stupid. It is a confined conjested area and the only way the bikes make such a racket is through excessive acceleration which by the way is also illegal.

Add to that their fearless exercise of personal freedom (no helmets) and they have a short painful life ahead of them.

But honestly, enforcing noise and nuisance ordinances is going to be more painful than the recent "signdinista" round up. Lots of guilty parties masquerading as innocent taxpayers. (Don't tell Eagleton about this plan...please!)

This evening as I ran along 5 miles of Riverside paths I was assaulted with the illegal nuisance sounds of two commercial jets, a jet boat, diesel air horns (120DB!), and an assortment of irritating leaf blowers and lawnmowers. Not to mention the legal nuisance noise of a fire truck, an ambulance and an incessant train whistle (over 100Db). No motorcycles or whirlybirds today but thats an oddity.

Noise is a judgement call and most noise is temporary in nature unless you live next to an industrial plant. I love the sound of that train whistle and its gutteral engine. I like the sound of WWII war planes occasionally. I even think the helicopters are exciting, temporarily. Ticket them and you get a losing court fight.

If you want to stop the choppers on Brookside and Riverside from creating such racket, ticket them for excessive acceleration. Thats the only way they can make such noise. And that court case will hold up.

[Breadburner]

quote:Originally posted by daddys little squirt

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


We can argue round and round about cicadas, leaf blowers, loud music, kids loving it when you rev it up, and all of that.  But ya have to admit those super loud bikes are annoying when they go by.  Even if they aren't to you, I bet if we were to take a vote a good majority of people would.

The very fact that there are laws against certain types of loud noises means I can't be too alone and crazy in my opinion that those loud bikes are annoying.

I really think its sad that there has to be a law or ordinance against things like loud music in your car or in the neighboring apartment or about loud bikes. I often like listening to loud music but I try to be aware of when it may be annoying to others, like at a stop light or along Brookside, and turn it down.  I just think thats being considerate.

Of course the cicadas aren't the problem. I thought you might see the absurdity of trying to quiet down a city when even the country is loud. But temporarily so.

I also detest the straight pipe cycles. Last Friday nite two of them startled me in traffic in the middle of Brookside.  But it was a temporary noise and self limiting. By that I mean the drivers are terminally stupid. It is a confined conjested area and the only way the bikes make such a racket is through excessive acceleration which by the way is also illegal.

Add to that their fearless exercise of personal freedom (no helmets) and they have a short painful life ahead of them.

But honestly, enforcing noise and nuisance ordinances is going to be more painful than the recent "signdinista" round up. Lots of guilty parties masquerading as innocent taxpayers. (Don't tell Eagleton about this plan...please!)

This evening as I ran along 5 miles of Riverside paths I was assaulted with the illegal nuisance sounds of two commercial jets, a jet boat, diesel air horns (120DB!), and an assortment of irritating leaf blowers and lawnmowers. Not to mention the legal nuisance noise of a fire truck, an ambulance and an incessant train whistle (over 100Db). No motorcycles or whirlybirds today but thats an oddity.

Noise is a judgement call and most noise is temporary in nature unless you live next to an industrial plant. I love the sound of that train whistle and its gutteral engine. I like the sound of WWII war planes occasionally. I even think the helicopters are exciting, temporarily. Ticket them and you get a losing court fight.

If you want to stop the choppers on Brookside and Riverside from creating such racket, ticket them for excessive acceleration. Thats the only way they can make such noise. And that court case will hold up.

Nope...They like to sit in place and rev em up.....

[jdb]

Mr. William -
There's no doubt my post' are convoluted and hard to read, but all I got from your reply was your dinner conversation, at a outdoor venue on a busy street, was once interrupted by a loud motorcycle.
Speaks to the nature of ones constitution.

Off Topic:
Sure, who on two wheels hasn't? it was great, but it's changed into something other than Carefree - into something the opposite.
A number of years back it was largely nothing and it's people were glad to see another living soul. How old are you?
Hell, seemed bikers were the only people who found value in the area besides some old timers, a few members of Witness Protection, and that old goat Wright screwing hippies up on his taliesin.
Anymore it's like the Women's Aux. moved into town - drawn by the exciting Thrill of The Wild West and it's fresh air - but first order of Biz was to start cleaning it up which tamed the West and ruined it's air.
Good people abound, even still...but it's on our list of unfriendly destinations.
Dang, another pedantic epilogue.

ON TOPIC:

Cave Creek is a good example of how NOT to approach loud pipes.

Just as calling a meeting about motorcycle "noise" on the eve of a charity event billed as "Rumble and Roar" is a good example of how NOT to gather constructive solutions.

I smell a rat.

[TheArtist]

Its happened many many times and often several times during each "sitting". Brookside is especially bad but it has happened to me along Cherry Street, Rivers Edge, etc. Once while sitting outside and listening to live music a group of them pulled up and made so much noise everyone was looking around and you could barely hear the music.

Regardless, to come back at me like I am one absurd person who had one incident is a bit disingenuous when there are obviously many others who have had similar experiences and feel the same.

Just like when you are stopped at a stop light you turn down your music so as not to bother those around you, why would anyone purposely bother people (and its not just stupid me) while they are enjoying a meal, a conversation or some music?

Btw, your posts are fine, I just didn't want to quote that one and take up a lot of space especially when my responses are often just as long lol.

I also think its a bit fishy to mention the Rumble and Roar charity along Brookside.  I certainly would not be against an event like that.  Just like any other event, concert, parade etc. if you dont want to go you don't have to, if you do go you will know what to expect.  Its one day and you can avoid it or enjoy it. I just don't like the "rumble and roar" every time I go down there lol.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


I also think its a bit fishy to mention the Rumble and Roar charity along Brookside.  I certainly would not be against an event like that.  Just like any other event, concert, parade etc. if you dont want to go you don't have to, if you do go you will know what to expect.  

It's not fishy to mention it, check the title of the thread. This "noise meeting" is being done in a hurry to make sure it is held before the charity event. Like the title says, they want to "Limit the Rumble & Roar"

[daddys little squirt]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

quote:Originally posted by daddys little squirt

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


We can argue round and round about cicadas, leaf blowers, loud music, kids loving it when you rev it up, and all of that.  But ya have to admit those super loud bikes are annoying when they go by.  Even if they aren't to you, I bet if we were to take a vote a good majority of people would.

The very fact that there are laws against certain types of loud noises means I can't be too alone and crazy in my opinion that those loud bikes are annoying.

I really think its sad that there has to be a law or ordinance against things like loud music in your car or in the neighboring apartment or about loud bikes. I often like listening to loud music but I try to be aware of when it may be annoying to others, like at a stop light or along Brookside, and turn it down.  I just think thats being considerate.

Of course the cicadas aren't the problem. I thought you might see the absurdity of trying to quiet down a city when even the country is loud. But temporarily so.

I also detest the straight pipe cycles. Last Friday nite two of them startled me in traffic in the middle of Brookside.  But it was a temporary noise and self limiting. By that I mean the drivers are terminally stupid. It is a confined conjested area and the only way the bikes make such a racket is through excessive acceleration which by the way is also illegal.

Add to that their fearless exercise of personal freedom (no helmets) and they have a short painful life ahead of them.

But honestly, enforcing noise and nuisance ordinances is going to be more painful than the recent "signdinista" round up. Lots of guilty parties masquerading as innocent taxpayers. (Don't tell Eagleton about this plan...please!)

This evening as I ran along 5 miles of Riverside paths I was assaulted with the illegal nuisance sounds of two commercial jets, a jet boat, diesel air horns (120DB!), and an assortment of irritating leaf blowers and lawnmowers. Not to mention the legal nuisance noise of a fire truck, an ambulance and an incessant train whistle (over 100Db). No motorcycles or whirlybirds today but thats an oddity.

Noise is a judgement call and most noise is temporary in nature unless you live next to an industrial plant. I love the sound of that train whistle and its gutteral engine. I like the sound of WWII war planes occasionally. I even think the helicopters are exciting, temporarily. Ticket them and you get a losing court fight.

If you want to stop the choppers on Brookside and Riverside from creating such racket, ticket them for excessive acceleration. Thats the only way they can make such noise. And that court case will hold up.

Nope...They like to sit in place and rev em up.....

Can you respond to the post with more than one liners? Okay, ticket them for excessive RPM generation.

If you go after noise or nuisance specifically for cycles, the unintended consequences will be great. The city cannot defend ordinances written to discriminate against one class of folks and ignore abuses by others. I personally will complain about the commercial leaf blowers in my hood and besiege the police with complaints about the unneccesary helicopter assaults by the local TV people (three copters at the moment).

As a side note, one of my friends lives along Peoria and is a big complainer about the idiots who scream past their home at 2am with pipes blazing. She is passionate about them. Of course the big block straight pipe jet boat that her husband assaults people with at the lake doesn't seem to be a problem.

Ordinances are a poor response to this problem. You will invite an ABATE type retaliation.

[jdb]

Kinda off topic but:

"...didn't want to quote that one and take up...space...my responses...just as long lol." - mr. william

No, I said my post's are convoluted (stating the obvious) - has nothing to do with you.

Simply, I find your post's impossible to read.
And that's besides your "lol's" which is how my nephew (age 9) writes.

Case in point: I wanted to suggest to griz that you indeed caught my drift of "smelling a rat" - but can't because I can't make sense of your remark either.

[Rico]

Does anyone other than me feel the Police Helicopter violates the "noise limits"...?

Personally; I would much rather hear the sound of "Choppers".... as in Motorcycles...

Than "Chopper" as in Police Helicopter...

maybe that's just me.

[}:)]

[jdb]

"She is passionate about them" - Squirt Daddy

Yeah, lotta chicks dig Dudes on bikes.
What's her name, I probably know her.


[8D]

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


I also think its a bit fishy to mention the Rumble and Roar charity along Brookside.  I certainly would not be against an event like that.  Just like any other event, concert, parade etc. if you dont want to go you don't have to, if you do go you will know what to expect.  

It's not fishy to mention it, check the title of the thread. This "noise meeting" is being done in a hurry to make sure it is held before the charity event. Like the title says, they want to "Limit the Rumble & Roar"

Aaah, it sounded to me as thought they were having the meeting about limiting the loud motorcycles in general and not "expressly" to do something about the charity event. But your saying in actuality it really is mainly about the charity event?

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by jdb

Kinda off topic but:

"...didn't want to quote that one and take up...space...my responses...just as long lol." - mr. william

No, I said my post's are convoluted (stating the obvious) - has nothing to do with you.

Simply, I find your post's impossible to read.
And that's besides your "lol's" which is how my nephew (age 9) writes.

Case in point: I wanted to suggest to griz that you indeed caught my drift of "smelling a rat" - but can't because I can't make sense of your remark either.

My apologies.  I misunderstood.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


Aaah, it sounded to me as thought they were having the meeting about limiting the loud motorcycles in general and not "expressly" to do something about the charity event. But your saying in actuality it really is mainly about the charity event?

The topic is overall noise control, but they want to make sure it happens before the charity event. It's not coincidence.

[RecycleMichael]

The air national guard jets flying over Tulsa today sure were loud.

Can we muffle them?

[tim huntzinger]

Soooo last night some wiseacre was peeling around Brookside, laying rubber and what not.  This AM there was a sixty-foot-long pair of skid marks culminating in a cracked curb at the end of 35th and Troost, with a puddle of engine goo trailing off.

Heh heh.

[jdb]

A pair of skid mark's, eh?

Your level of sophistication is amazingly unremarkable.

Or do you just take pleasure in any loud vehicle, cage or bike, being smacked up?

What some Dude in a Camero steal your girlfriend back in high school? [B)]

Do Tell!


Interesting, what's coming back at me this morning is that no Clubs, Orgs, or Groups in the MC community have even heard of it, let alone were given notice to attend - which makes the meeting bogus, as stated here.

If it turns out to be nothing more then a *i%c# session for a select few residents - here's hoping Carson is smart enough to see through it.

Even if word comes back otherwise - in these last few hours - I'll obviously do better to address the matter in writing (as learned from this thread, and after much editing).

Fine by me, Da Saprano's friggin' pop on @ Eight.