Starting to Limit the Rumble & Roar-5/30 Meeting

[tim huntzinger]

It is my fragile nerves, JD! Ooooh all the loud noise makes me want to cry like a baby!  Waaaahhh a chopper!  Waaaaahhh a hot rod!  Waaahh starving musicians at drunk magnets on Brookside!

Would a pair of skid marks mean two cars lost control? If so, I mean to say a single pair of skid marks . . .

Brought up on military bases, I am afraid all the loud noises have made me shell-shocked . . .

[jdb]

I belive a "pair of skid marks" refers to:

Two (2) most likely parallel, black trails of typically rubber, that run for some distance longer then 1".

Thus a pair of such indicates a single car or two motorcycles.

I think we might agree that Unicycles are highy unlikely to be the cause of skid marks, unless we concider the possibilty of one, two, or even a few on typ of eachother, that are being drug down the road under bus.

I admit to chuming the thread.
With goo trailing off, and a pair of skid marks, I figure it was a lone cager that managed to limp quitely towards home or repair shop.

While hanging out at drunk magnets I always have a single pair of underwear on hand to whip-out and snap over my head in hopes of getting a date.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

While I'm all for following the law, it seems that many times it's the bikers and bar owners who are getting the short end of it. Didn't the blue rose close down after the bikes were made to leave? Aren't the bikers putting a large chunk of cash INTO brookside?

There are a large contingent of bikers who go by the slogan "loud pipes save lives" and have loud exhaust for the purpose of protection because vehicles regularly make lane changes into motorcyclists and injure/kill them. Now I know there has to be maximum noise limit etc, but I know there are plenty of people in the brookside area who just want the bikes gone and I think that is wrong.

I figured your quote was as good a starting point for my own little manifesto on this.

FWIW, the owner of the Blue Rose had pretty much played it out for all it was worth.  The bikes weren't kicked out, they were told to quit parking on a public sidewalk.  There was also some background maneuvering by a couple of other bar owners stirring the pot to get his outdoor live music kaboshed.  He had the first successful business on that corner since OTASCO moved out and it ruffled some feathers.

I have been friends with him ever since right before the BR opened.  He also made the foolish venture off into Steamroller Blues & BBQ which was mediocre food at best.  When he took over the old El Paso BBQ location at 81st & Harvard, he over-extended his financial and personal resources.

One thing he over-looked is his (and his late ex-wife's) personal involvement in the Blue Rose was a big part of it's formula for success.  Maintenance went downhill, other people were running the day-to-day operations, and Tom's personal touch was no longer apparent.  It had run it's course.

As far as pipes:  I've ridden motorcycles for 30 years now.  I've put open pipes on in the past, but the older I get, the less I like them.  In the absence of other tuning modifications, it actually kills power, it doesn't make them faster, just louder.  My ex-wife asked me one time: "Why do Harley riders always either accellerate or rev up your engine under an overpass?  The answer: "Because we can!"

I've also worked on motorcycles for a living a couple of different times in my life.  At the present I'm building a 1945 Harley EL Knucklehead bobber (period-correct custom).  It will be muffled to a sane level.  Sound won't keep me safe on it, only common sense and keeping a good lookout.

Loud pipes don't save lives, common sense does.  A regular customer at the bike shop I worked for when I was going to college about 20 years ago told me at the time he had over 100,000 miles under his belt on two wheels.  I asked him how he'd been accident free.  His reply was simple: "Ride like you are invisible."  I asked if that meant he smoked a joint before riding. [8D]

He explained it this way: figure that no one else on the road can see you and always keep a scan from your front fender to about 1/4 of a mile up the road, and don't ride in a car's blind spot.

When I ran into Dave a few years ago, he said he was somewhere in the 750,000 mile range still without accident.  I asked: "Are you still invisible when you ride?"  Reply: "You bet".

I live around 15th & Harvard.  Never fails, most weekends and some weeknights, I'm awakened after mid-night by people leaving the Buccaneer, or Ed's racking off their pipes down Harvard or 15th.

I personally, don't see why the rights of a handfull of bikers should supercede the rights of thousands of others to enjoy peace and quiet and a good sleep.  Yep, I've been one of the cretins with loud pipes in the past.  Looking at it from the other side of the issue has made me want to be a more "neighborly" rider.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

The air national guard jets flying over Tulsa today sure were loud.

Can we muffle them?

Only if they fly over Brookside 20 times a day, every day, and are loud enough to interrupt my conversation. Everyone knows that what I have to say is far to important to be interrupted. []

Oh, and well said Conan.

[jdb]

See Manifesto Above:

Conan, I take it that in your opinon there is no edge to be had by announcing ones presence with loud pipes, under any or all circumstances, in the course of negotiating traffic on public roads?

That being incapuslated in a car so that of our 4.78 senses, only sight and hearing coming into play, that no one behind the wheel has ever been made aware of a motorbike coming up on them by hearing them?

Is that correct?
That there's no advantage whatsoever?

Further aside:

Barry rides stealth mode. Was pissed that headlights became law because he swears people aim for his light.

Skills, Presence, stratogy, Response...and one big bag of lucky stars to count. I'll take one of all the above please. jdb

[jdb]

OK, here is my prediction, a mere hour away, concerning the rat I alluded to earlier.
If I am wrong, then I will stand humbly corrected.

Thus:

" A few citizens that live nextdoor to eachother have become OCD about motorcycles, particularly in front of our homes.

City Councilor Cason Carter has been bullyied into setting a meeting on Wednesday, May 30, 5 p.m. in Rm 201, City Hall to hear our gripes about the "Rumble & Roar" crap on June 7.

The meeting will be attended by a few select residents, one whom owns a bar, and other who once rode a motorcycle to Jenks and back.

Representatives from the police, neighborhood inspections and the mayor's office were also nagged about attending.

If you hate motorcycles like we do, attend this meeting and tell all your friends to do the same!

For further information contact me, Greg Bledsoe, bledsoe@aol.com

Hmmmm, no mention of Mayor Taylor herself?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by jdb

See Manifesto Above:

Conan, I take it that in your opinon there is no edge to be had by announcing ones presence with loud pipes, under any or all circumstances, in the course of negotiating traffic on public roads?

That being incapuslated in a car so that of our 4.78 senses, only sight and hearing coming into play, that no one behind the wheel has ever been made aware of a motorbike coming up on them by hearing them?

Is that correct?
That there's no advantage whatsoever?

Further aside:

Barry rides stealth mode. Was pissed that headlights became law because he swears people aim for his light.

Skills, Presence, stratogy, Response...and one big bag of lucky stars to count. I'll take one of all the above please. jdb

Probably some advantage to the louder pipes, in some cases.  However a lot of people who drive have had a cranial/rectal implant and can't hear or see anything when they drive except their own ****.

Most of the brothers I know use it as an excuse to be loud and obnoxious.  Nothing more, nothing less.

It's the law, but I don't figure it's up to the driver of a cage to make sure I have a safe ride.  Sound only matters if they don't have their stereo turned up or don't have Ipod buds in their ears, which I see more and more of.

I've almost been run over or merged into several times with un-corked drag pipes, so no, I don't think there's that much of an advantage.  I think spots on either side of the headlamp are the best notificaion of my presence on the road, and yes I will have them operational on my springer.

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by jdb

See Manifesto Above:

Conan, I take it that in your opinon there is no edge to be had by announcing ones presence with loud pipes, under any or all circumstances, in the course of negotiating traffic on public roads?

That being incapuslated in a car so that of our 4.78 senses, only sight and hearing coming into play, that no one behind the wheel has ever been made aware of a motorbike coming up on them by hearing them?

Is that correct?
That there's no advantage whatsoever?

Further aside:

Barry rides stealth mode. Was pissed that headlights became law because he swears people aim for his light.

Skills, Presence, stratogy, Response...and one big bag of lucky stars to count. I'll take one of all the above please. jdb

"An edge"? "any and all circumstances"?  Is that what it really comes down to?  Are there no other things that can give that much edge in as many circumstances, that won't annoy the dickens out of so many other people?  Perhaps a bright red santa suit or some flashing strobes, a loud horn?


Perhaps its just me but if I am on the highway I never hear those bikes until they are right beside me. Wind? Doppler shift? Time it takes for someone to get close enough to hear and then pass is very quick? In other circumstances everyone is going slow enough that you can easily see what cars may pull out in front of you or may swerve into your lane well beforehand. Defensive driving is the best edge for everyone.

[LisaPeace]

quote:Originally posted by jdb


While hanging out at drunk magnets I always have a single pair of underwear on hand to whip-out and snap over my head in hopes of getting a date.

As a dear friend of jdb's, I will attest to this little bit of trivia.

As far as skidmarks and goo puddles, perhaps the city council would be using it's time better to ban my ex-husband.

Back to the original point of this thread.  I live one block from Cherry Street, and one of the best times of the year is hearing the roar coming down the road from the bikes during the annual toy ride.  

I have a biker neighbor, and I'd much rather him come home and "shake my windows" (yes, they need glazing...but at least they have new sash cords, by gawd)....than to hear my other neighbor with his karaoke machine permanently fixed to "Friends in Low Places" for the musical enjoyment of the block at 3am on Tuesdays.

Also, motorcycles are damn sexy.  That is all.

[jdb]

"Probably some advantage to the louder pipes, in some cases." - Conan71

That it's one of several available tools, cool.

Like firearms in the woods, it's better to have one and not need it then...

Condoms at the Prom, Church key at the lake, a file in your birthday cake when the judge gives you Life for emitting a noise that disrupts the tranquility of Pussified America.

Not bad, only 9 million words to finally get a nod, if reluctant, from someone in here.

I'll take it!
jdb

[RecycleMichael]

I can see people getting upset about loud noises in the normally peaceful neighborhoods. I get upset at much less things than this...

(I think it is the Atkins diet...everybody on it is cranky...next time I seem upset, offer me a bagel).

But do we really want to send a message out that Tulsa is a motorcycle unfriendly town? I don't ride and don't go to the two big Harley stores in town, but they must be very important to the local economy. They are always crowded there with visitor money generating some serious sales tax income from these bikers.

The guy on Memorial even has a packed restaurant to go with his souvenir business... oh yeah, they also sell very expensive bikes.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by jdb

"Probably some advantage to the louder pipes, in some cases." - Conan71

That it's one of several available tools, cool.

Like firearms in the woods, it's better to have one and not need it then...

Condoms at the Prom, Church key at the lake, a file in your birthday cake when the judge gives you Life for emitting a noise that disrupts the tranquility of Pussified America.

Not bad, only 9 million words to finally get a nod, if reluctant, from someone in here.

I'll take it!
jdb

I like guns in the woods!!!

You'll have to forgive me becoming an old fart at a young age.  I will say the police chopper flying over my house for 10 minutes is a worse annoyance than someone blasting down Harvard at 2am.  But I still believe the rights of a majority of citizens supercedes those of a smaller minority.  

I seldom ride anymore, partially because I need to finish building my new scoot (after I finish the '45 Knucklehead I've got a '48 Harley Hummer to build- restoring bikes for other people for four years will burn you out).  That and I took sailing up again last year because it's quiet and peaceful.  Go figure, I've been around auto racing tracks and bikes all my life and now about all I want to do on weekends is ghost across the water.

My eyesight and hearing are beginning to dim a little, though my wife says the hearing part is mostly selective. []

[sgrizzle]

Police helicopter was over my house from like 2:30 to 3:30 this morning. I guess after an hour they decided I wasn't coming out.

Anybody go to the meeting?

[jdb]

"But I still believe the rights of a majority of citizens supercedes those of a smaller minority." - Conan71


Sure, just as the rights of a majority of bikers supercedes those of a smaller minority of disrespectfull bikers.

However, it's selective and discriminatory to hold motorcycles soley responible and accountable for the burden of noise pollution.

I got notes from two in attendance and am waiting on a sit down with a third. So far, my prediction stands largely correct.

No one from COC, ABATE, HOG was contacted, not one Club, Org. or Group.
Speaks to the sincerity of seeking "a constructive and fair solution".

Words out now though and I'll bet it'll be decades before you'll have to concider putting whispers on that Springer.
Planet will run out gasoline long before that, jdb



For The Record: I run moderate D&D pipes and comply with ALL local ords. Hell, I passed the Cave Creek Acid Test with a few DB's to spare. But I can also hold my head up in Pawhuska when the obnoxious urge tickles my intoxicated youthful spirit.

Lisa -  Can't believe your Ex came back after the last beating we gave him..tell us when and where.
Oh and I believe I still have two or three pairs of tighty whity's over at your place.
Wanna make it four?


Note to self: re-ignore artist.

[daddys little squirt]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Originally posted by jdb
[br  But I still believe the rights of a majority of citizens supercedes those of a smaller minority.  

You might consider re-wording that phrase. The rights of a minority are exactly equal to those of a majority. Rights are rights. The majority, however, may exert more pressure on government to obtain rights that match their interests.

Otherwise a majority may decide that they intend to hang loud bikers and their rights would supercede those of the minority.

There are so many more important issues than this one that deserve attention. As a former hippie, disco king, tennis player and parent I can recognize some of what JB must be feeling. Each of those movements suffered from attemts to villify its participants. If you simply loved free thinking, dancing, tennis or children, you still got swept up with the negatives related to the actions of wannabe participants.

The defensiveness that true bike lovers display is the reaction to the negatives that the public attaches to any popular movement. At first they humor it, then they embrace it, then they turn against it.

BTW, I had some lovely Thrush mufflers on my Chevy that irritated the hell out of folks for years. But I loved the throaty sound. Now they would be tame.