Watch, then CALL

[nam vet]

We have one week that all Senators and Congressman are home, CALL ALL... tell them to STOP giving America away.                                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo6RpjPC7M

[rwarn17588]

Giving away America for what?

I didn't know it was for sale or being traded.

Does Major League Baseball have to approve the trade first?

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by nam vet

We have one week that all Senators and Congressman are home, CALL ALL... tell them to STOP giving America away.                                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxo6RpjPC7M

Our senators and congressmen so far have been fighting against the amnesty for illegals.As far as I know they have not catered to any of the pro-illegals scum.


http://www.numbersusa.com/index
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=OK&VIPID=655
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=OK&VIPID=657
http://grades.betterimmigration.com/delegation.php3?District=OK

[tim huntzinger]

quote:Originally posted by jamesrage
Our senators and congressmen so far have been fighting against the amnesty for illegals.As far as I know they have not catered to any of the pro-illegals scum.

Sure they have, until the hoi polloi got up in arms I defy anyone to demonstrate where they took leadership on these issues.  In fact, Inhofe was quite proud of his support of CAFTA, the 1,300 page tome which extended the failures of NAFTA to just about all of Central America, that he mocked its opponents ('You can't be too conservative for some people.')  The earmarks in the GOP-killing Highway Bill which was passed three weeks later were contingent on support of CAFTA.  Whoring out one's support for an anti-American, internationalist agenda to score earmarks pushed by the 'pro-illegal scum' is not the leadership we deserve.

Waiting for an issue to reach a boiling point and then siding with your district is not leadership.  If we had elected officials that were not craven go-along-to-git-alongers not this issue have been settled long ago.

[nam vet]

New York Post

REWARDING LAWBREAKERS

By KRIS W. KOBACH

May 21, 2007 -- THE immigration bill set to hit the Senate floor this week has over 300 pages - yet few people have seen the details. Proponents, led by Ted Kennedy, waited until the last minute to make the draft public - so most senators will be in the dark when they debate it.

But the text is now circulating on Capitol Hill, and the content is astonishing. Just when it is becoming clear that overwhelming majorities of Americans - of all parties and all races - say they want to see stronger enforcement of our laws, the bill would take the country full speed in the opposite direction.

As promised, the bill will legalize most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens now in the country via a new "Z visa." Each would pay $3,000 - only slightly more than the going rate to be smuggled into America.

But provisions buried in the fine print are far more outrageous. Here's a sampling:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05212007/postopinion/opedcolumnists/rewarding_lawbreakers_opedcolumnists_kris_w__kobach.htm?page=0

[tim huntzinger]

300 pages! Hey, if'n you'uns like that, sure you would appreciate the CAFTA (Central American Free Trade Agreement) legislation which Inhofe and Sullivan voted for.  I think it was over 300 pages.

'The Bush administration is moving ahead with its underhanded effort to get governors to bind their states to the procurement rules in an array of new trade agreements including the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and many more. These rules rob state legislatures of their authority to decide how state tax dollars are spent and put an array of common purchasing policies at risk - giving closed-door trade tribunals the final word.'

OUTRAGE!

[Conan71]

Yep, amnesty act of '86, part deux. [V]

[tim huntzinger]

Revolucion 2025, the Prequel.

Why would Ihofe and Sullivan have supported the traitorous, anti-American CAFTA?  Oh, let us move on.  That was soooo 2005 . . .

[cannon_fodder]

Tim,

Havent we gone around and around on free trade before?  I'm pretty sure you have never made a valid point on that topic before.

The USA is at what is considered FULL EMPLOYMENT.  That's bad?

You want to stop immigration to the USA but want to keep Latin America as mercantile vassals?

What is anti-american about free market capitalism?  You're going to have explain that one in detail.

Additionally,

The federal government regulates international trade, not the states.  So the feds are not robbing states rights.

You stated opinion as fact and then did not even attempt to back it up, preach to the choir if you so desire, but discussion is more useful.

[tim huntzinger]

quote:
Originally posted by cannon_fodder


Havent we gone around and around on free trade before?  I'm pretty sure you have never made a valid point on that topic before.

Nope, big fat negative.  You may have expounded at length but I would not know.  We have established that you are a proponent of greater American debt, favor government sponsorship of news media, and call yourself a libertarian.

quote:The USA is at what is considered FULL EMPLOYMENT.  That's bad?

Really, what are you talking about?

quote:You want to stop immigration to the USA but want to keep Latin America as mercantile vassals?

All for legal immigration.  CAFTA does more to make residents of the banana Republics corporate serfs.

quote:What is anti-american about free market capitalism?  You're going to have explain that one in detail.

You must explain how the 2,400 page CAFTA represents free-market capitalism.  Smells like crap-italisim.

quote:
The federal government regulates international trade, not the states.  So the feds are not robbing states rights.

No, but CAFTA allows for individual states (say Oklahoma) to be subject to lawsuits if the state violates CAFTA rules.

quote:You stated opinion as fact and then did not even attempt to back it up, preach to the choir if you so desire, but discussion is more useful.

CAFTA was negotiated in back rooms with little input from the public or most lawmakers.

Opposition to CAFTA ran from liberal labor groups, conservative groups, farmers, you name it.  Would you have voted for it?

[swake]

Let's say we did this, and moved 12,000,000 people out of this country and instantly lower our population by 4%. What would that do to housing values? Suddenly we have doubled the number of residences available for sale or rent in this country. Property values would plummet devastating the construction and housing industries and wiping out most of the accumulated wealth of the middle class of this nation almost overnight.

Then what about wages and the cost of doing business with a job market that suddenly loses millions of workers? Inflation would rise, fast. That's a bad combination, loss of wealth due to a crushed housing market with rising inflation. Rising inflation means rising interest rates which make it harder for people to purchase goods such as cars and homes (further damaging the housing market) and makes it more expensive for business to borrow money to expand, but why would business expand anyway with rising labor costs, rising cost of goods and fewer customers.

Then, what about the small businesses that rely on those millions of people to be customers? Thousands of small marginal business would fail due to the increased cost of everything and fewer customers to meet those costs. Business failures and property foreclosures would provide even more pressure for even higher interest rates which would hurt the economy even more.

The impact would be devastating.

[Double A]

It's quite simple really, you accelerate the process and lessen the expense for those doing the right thing patiently waiting to immigrate here legally. Reward the people who respect our immigration laws and they can replace those here illegally at the rate of attrition. Show everybody else where the back of the line is.

[rwarn17588]

^Well said.

The "deport 'em all" crowd never thinks of these things, which makes them stupid and dangerous.

[rwarn17588]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

^Well said, swake.

The "deport 'em all" crowd never thinks of these things, which makes them stupid and dangerous.

[Double A]

The most insane thing about this bill is that it actually places those who currently are trying to immigrate legally at a disadvantage(as if they weren't already) to those here illegally. This is bizarro logic. Call me crazy, but I think we should reward legal immigrants in any bill that's passed instead of punishing them for obeying the law.