City of Millionaires

[TheArtist]

But what were the conditions of those wagon trails and how much did it cost to keep them up and keep expanding them to the suburbs? []

[cannon_fodder]

Shadow Wrote
My thought process stems to the fact that the city is buying a building with so much space that they are going into real-estate to market the unused space. This on the slight of hand dealing that is being used by the bureaucrats, to convince us that the issuing of revenue bonds do not circumventing an election on the proposition by people.

The inconvenience and access to the building cannot in any economical way be feasible.

The revenue bond legislative act was not intended to be used in such a way where those bonds were to sustain the peoples government. The Airport authority and the failed airlines so illustrates that the revenue bond are also a liability that everyone will have to pay on the working poor and a mortgage against their future retirement.

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My logic is that the city hall belongs to the citizens and they should be considered first in accessibility, along with the cost to them, not to the bureaucracies that are outdistancing the needs of the working poor the citizens that is are[/u] supporting it. There is a difference in taxes paid by the working poor in private industries and those rebated by employees on the city payrolls. All taxes are generated by the private industries. We would have a 10% increase in the economy each year but would it not be devaluating our curency? Government does not have money, it is the people's money and the government takes it.
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I tired to omit and rewrite where needed to make it a coherent argument.  In this argument, I agree to a large extent and would give full credit for raising valid points all around.

However, devaluation of currency has NOTHING to do with the cities decision to move city hall.  Not only is it a non related subject that detracts from the merits of your post, but you are also only vaguely making sense on the issue.  It is not that I do not agree with your viewpoint, it is that the argument is so poorly formed and loosely assembled that it borders on a mere ramble.

While we are at it; why does it matter if the "working poor" pay the taxes or someone else?  Your underlying theme of the government wasting money in areas it should not be in would remain in tact.  This seems to be another issue entirely and only muddles your attempt to persuade people that moving city hall is a bad idea.    Not to mention your attempt to allude to the semi-fictional nature of taxes on governmental employees (it would be like me taxing my sons allowance).  

Anywho, your attempt at clarifying your position was successful.  I understand what you are trying to say.  However, it would be much easier to follow your arguments and more persuasive if you were able to focus you post on the area of concern and clearly state your point instead of vaguely referencing several things with a shotgun approach of analogies and complaints.  That only left me (us?) confused.

I feel the move needs to be closely analyzed.  I would have to see some action on the "old city hall" location before I would ever consider voting for such a proposal (even if not put to the vote, this should be the standard used in consideration of such a move).  Lest we have one more old abandoned building.  This one right next to our new arena and newly remodeled convention center.  Seems like a step backwards.

[shadows]

Recycle quoted:
So all this goes back to the fact that you hate city employees?
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Negative; but look back at the survey paid for by the CC costing $50,000 dollars in which they noted that the governing body of the city was top heavy.   The use of over 20% of the cities employees needing office space in the glass house seems a little overstaffing if not top heavy.

I have a picture of 24 employees changing a light bulb at the traffic circle.   Couldn't decide which was holding the bulb while the others may have been turning the traffic circle.

Tell those people cleaning the mud out of their houses that we have the prize winning Storm Water Management Team.
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USR quoted:  
Memories... I remember when 169 only went south down to 21st Street and the two lanes north/southbound didn't hold a candle to the improved condition that highway is in now... and well, Hwy 412 (old Hwy 33) is certainly much nicer than it was back in the day...
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I have seen cattle grazing at third street and Lewis.  

There is no question that the state funded highways have improved.  They have served the suburbs well as half of the employed use them to commute to work in Tulsa.  
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TheArtist quoted:  
But what were the conditions of those wagon trails and how much did it cost to keep them up and keep expanding them to the suburbs?
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In 1947 I built a house on 68th E. Ave where I had to cut sunflowers eight feet tall in the road in-order to find the wagon trail road laid out in 1937.   So  the wagon trails were about the same condition for wagons as the streets are today for cars
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CF quoted:
While we are at it; why does it matter if the "working poor" pay the taxes or someone else? Your underlying theme of the government wasting money in areas it should not be in would remain in tact. This seems to be another issue entirely and only muddles your attempt to persuade people that moving city hall is a bad idea. Not to mention your attempt to allude to the semi-fictional nature of taxes on governmental employees (it would be like me taxing my sons allowance).
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Are we people of government or a government of the people?

Without the working poor there would be no millionaires nor city employees.  They are the backbone of our present society.  They retrieve from the earth all wealth.

If the glass house, where employees in the past have had to use umbrellas to shade their work stations, is such a great bargain and so close to the center of government and the arena it surely would be better used as a hotel.  Thus visitors would have a skyline view of the city.  I have understood that at present it is not on the tax rolls from a sweetheart deal.

Instead of spending near a hundred million dollars in saving 15 million dollars in the next ten years, we could spend the 20 million dollars repairing the present very accessible city hall and save 50 million dollars.

[AFTER THOUGHT]
CF; If you object to my long sentences get a copy of the ordinance or the ballot that created the charter amendments and compare the limit established by statue on how long of a sentence the ballot title can contain.    I need a proof  reader I realize.  lol  [][]