QuikTrip Expansion at 21st and Harvard

[patric]

In these upgrades they build the new store behind the old one, then build larger gas islands, likely facing E-W instead of N-S. They will close the store for no more than 24 hours when they do the changeover.

Pretty close. 
The old store vanished overnight and the new one is open, but they are still using the old pumps and canopy for the time being.  They may not have closed at all.

[sauerkraut]

Lord, is this the thread that wouldn't die or what?  Why are we still talking about a convenience store expansion on a Development forum?  

Geesh...no wonder Tulsa has such low expectations.

Move on doodz.

QT & Tulsa go together. The city revolves around QT. That's the best guess I have. Don't ask me abot Sonic Restaurants, Tulsa has those all over too.

[patric]

Over the 4th of July weekend they started putting up the nonconforming, high-glare 'Scottsdale' lights they were told would violate their PUD, so I expect fireworks come Monday.

[Hoss]

QT & Tulsa go together. The city revolves around QT. That's the best guess I have. Don't ask me abot Sonic Restaurants, Tulsa has those all over too.

Don't ask you about Sonic?  Don't you know all there is to know about Tulsa?



Guess the library got sorted out...

[patric]

First, the bad fixtures that went up over the 4th of July, followed by an example of the fixtures they should have used (like the ones at their 500th store at 501 W. Kenosha in BA).

[cannon_fodder]

If they were told those would violate their agreement and went with them anyway, I hope they are duly punished.  Replace the lights immediately and fined for the cost of enforcement.

[dbacks fan]

QT & Tulsa go together. The city revolves around QT. That's the best guess I have. Don't ask me abot Sonic Restaurants, Tulsa has those all over too.

Ummm, Sonic is based in OKC not Tulsa.

http://www.sonicdrivein.com/business/profile/backgrounder.jsp

[patric]

If they were told those would violate their agreement and went with them anyway, I hope they are duly punished.  Replace the lights immediately and fined for the cost of enforcement.

I cant imagine what QT is thinking, especially since they comply with much stricter lighting codes in other parts of the country.   
Maybe they just need to understand that Tulsa isnt as soft on some development standards as it once was.   

[PonderInc]

It is my understanding that PUD violations are inspected and enforced only by "complaint."   (The burden is on the neighbors.)  So I would encourage you to call the City code enforcement office and complain.  (Is this the correct office to call?  If anyone knows a better contact for PUD violations, please share.) 

[OurTulsa]

I was told to contact the Mayor's Action Center to file a zoning complaint - 596-2100.

[patric]

It is my understanding that PUD violations are inspected and enforced only by "complaint."   (The burden is on the neighbors.)  So I would encourage you to call the City code enforcement office and complain.  (Is this the correct office to call?  If anyone knows a better contact for PUD violations, please share.)

Thanks OurTulsa and PonderInc, you are both correct.
Enforcement is complaint-driven, so we would have to bear part of the blame if we did not speak up.
And the MAC is how you initiate zoning complaints these days --- I was given a case number Monday.

QuikTrip may have created a hardship for themselves, as the old canopy and lights were demolished Tuesday and they are relying on the half-installed, new (non-compliant) lights to sell gas at night.

[Townsend]

Thanks OurTulsa and PonderInc, you are both correct.
Enforcement is complaint-driven, so we would have to bear part of the blame if we did not speak up.
And the MAC is how you initiate zoning complaints these days --- I was given a case number Monday.

QuikTrip may have created a hardship for themselves, as the old canopy and lights were demolished Tuesday and they are relying on the half-installed, new (non-compliant) lights to sell gas at night.

What's the chance they'll get a variance?

[patric]

What's the chance they'll get a variance?

They would have to go before TMAPC and show why they cant do what they said they would by building according to the approved plans, why the city should give them what they want for their PUD (demolishing part of a neighborhood) but they shouldnt have to uphold their end, and why there should be no consequences to them deviating from the approved plan.

[Townsend]

They would have to go before TMAPC and show why they cant do what they said they would by building according to the approved plans, why the city should give them what they want for their PUD (demolishing part of a neighborhood) but they shouldnt have to uphold their end, and why there should be no consequences to them deviating from the approved plan.

So from my memory of discussions on here their chance is pretty good.

[nathanm]

So from my memory of discussions on here their chance is pretty good.

It that happens, I will not be pleased with QuikTrip. It's not as if they couldn't relatively easily swap out the fixtures for the correct ones. It's not like they'd have to do them all at once and close down all of the pumps, just one at a time. It might take a couple of days at most.

I don't think any of us expect them to just stop doing business there until it's fixed.