Almost 30 tickets an hour

[Chris]

There was definitely no dog in the car. I don't see how any of these things are anymore than an inconvenience to the officer and could all be remedied without waisting large amounts of gas and  causing unnecessary wear to the engine. I like to have a cold car too but am unwilling to pay to have it running all the time and I don't like the idea of someone using tax dollars like this.

[Rowdy]

I run all kinds of equipment and I can keep my vehicle shut off for at least 4-5 hours plus.  A lunch hour with their stuff running wouldn't drain the battery in an hour or even two.

[MH2010]

It doesn't waste large amounts of gas to idle a vehicle. Engine wear is minimal. If you think that is bad, you should see the stress we put on an engine during a pursuit.

Rowdy, I'm sure you can run all that stuff on your vehicle. It seems that everyone else can too but for some reason, most of our police cars can't.

[Chris]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

It doesn't waste large amounts of gas to idle a vehicle. Engine wear is minimal. If you think that is bad, you should see the stress we put on an engine during a pursuit.

Rowdy, I'm sure you can run all that stuff on your vehicle. It seems that everyone else can too but for some reason, most of our police cars can't.

Maybe it's not a lot if this happens rarely but as it seems you are saying it's common I think that would start to add up to quite a bit. And I don't think anyone is going to be upset about what happens in a pursuit. Pursuing is part of a cop's job, leaving the squad car on all the time isn't.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by Chris

He left it running the entire time he was eating lunch, around 30 minutes! Now I'm sure if I questioned him he would of told me he left it on in case he needed to leave in a moments notice but I doubt the time to start the car would make any difference. I'm sure he doesn't have to pay for the gas or to maintenance the car so why should he care, it was hot and he wanted a cold car to come out to.

The cop I lived across the street from in the Renaissance Neighborhood would leave his car running almost every day for hours on end.  I first noticed it in the winter because of the tailpipe exhaust and started paying more attention.  The car would disappear for about an hour, return, and the next day he would do it all over again.  I worked at home at the time so the pattern I observed was pretty consistent.

[patric]

quote:Originally posted by buckeye

Last Thanksgiving, a thief made his way down from the corner, smashed my car's side window and made off with a radio faceplate before the dog scared him away.  My car was in my well-lit driveway - and this happened at 9:45 pm.

Well-lit for your neighbors, or for passing thieves?

If your light is forcing your neighbors to keep their curtains closed, you might want to re-think your strategy.  Motion detectors do a better job of drawing attention to unexpected visitors than dusk-to-dawn "security" lights that draw attention to stuff worth stealing.
If I recall correctly, the cop you mentioned who had his shotgun stolen from the cruiser in his driveway had a neighbor-blinding Mercury Vapor "farm light" over his driveway.

[Rowdy]

quote:Originally posted by MH2010

It doesn't waste large amounts of gas to idle a vehicle. Engine wear is minimal. If you think that is bad, you should see the stress we put on an engine during a pursuit.

Rowdy, I'm sure you can run all that stuff on your vehicle. It seems that everyone else can too but for some reason, most of our police cars can't.

Don't you guys use inverters?

[shadows]

Roses to the councilors as they are taking in hand the solution to why over half of the cars seem to be parked in the areas of the suburbs that is a deterrent to crime in their neighborhoods.   Although under the charter the purpose of the strong mayor was to set the policies of the city to be approved by the council.

If the sight of a police car is a deterrent then park all the extra and obsolete police cars at intersection throughout the city.   Watch the stop lights come on when drivers observe the parked police cars in the streets.

If 4% is assigned to traffic, then if they do not see 40 illegal operations of the rules of the road in an eight hour period then they would be sleeping.

It is a very simple and without extra stress to install an extra battery to operate the equipment that is needed rather than driving a 12 volt alternator with a 300 horse motor.

All the fines coming from tickets are dumped into the same revenue pot and all the city employees fill their cup from the pot.  To say it is not used for revenue purposes is like saying there are no speed traps.

A rose to the mayor as she is addressing the police bureaucracy failures by employing an out-of-towner to observe why we require the number of police but still it is not a secure society.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Roses to the councilors as they are taking in hand the solution to why over half of the cars seem to be parked in the areas of the suburbs that is a deterrent to crime in their neighborhoods.   Although under the charter the purpose of the strong mayor was to set the policies of the city to be approved by the council.

If the sight of a police car is a deterrent then park all the extra and obsolete police cars at intersection throughout the city.   Watch the stop lights come on when drivers observe the parked police cars in the streets.

If 4% is assigned to traffic, then if they do not see 40 illegal operations of the rules of the road in an eight hour period then they would be sleeping.

It is a very simple and without extra stress to install an extra battery to operate the equipment that is needed rather than driving a 12 volt alternator with a 300 horse motor.

All the fines coming from tickets are dumped into the same revenue pot and all the city employees fill their cup from the pot.  To say it is not used for revenue purposes is like saying there are no speed traps.

A rose to the mayor as she is addressing the police bureaucracy failures by employing an out-of-towner to observe why we require the number of police but still it is not a secure society.

The counselors were very short sited in determining costs of take home cars.  They never took into account peoples' time sitting at a location waiting forever for someone who is on-call to respond.  In addition to waiting on that person to arrive, we now have to wait while that person drives to who-knows-where to get their car/truck and equipment, then drive to where they are needed, which may be on opposite sides of the city.  Just ask the Animal Shelter.  That time is wasted money.  They also didn't take into account the number of incidents police handle while driving into work or home from work.  Those poor citizens now get to wait even longer for an officer to respond.  Many who will lose their take home car will now do one of two things:  No longer be on call, thus losing that needed expertise, or, demand on-call pay, which police were not being paid prior.  While on-call pay is very small, it is way more expensive then two bucks worth of gas.

Extra police cars?  What planet are you on?  There aren't even enough cars to go around, let alone have extras sitting around.  What few are used as spares, are always being used.  In fact, officers often have to 'double-up' because there aren't enough cars.

And I'm assuming you mean traffic officers should write 40 tickets a day.  So what officers would you like to see investigate all the collisions they handle?  Those are part of their traffic duties and responsibilities in addition to enforcing traffic laws and helping patrol officers with calls.  Because traffic officers are traffic officers, they are still POLICE officers first.  And that stolen car that traffic officer just stopped doesn't just go away.  Neither does that driver with all the warrants or the guy with dope in his car.

And I realize it was silly of me to forget everyone outside the police department knows all about police cars and how they are maintained and know much better how to keep them running then police or the city garage.  I guess you should be hired by our city garage.  Of course, charging that extra battery and keeping it charged is another story.  That is the problem.  Lost two hours of my day a couple weeks ago for this very reason.

All fines are not dumped into the same revenue pot at the city.  Check your facts (or read prior posts).  They are spread out over several different governmental agencies, from the state on down.  A $120 ticket does not result in $120 going to the City of Tulsa, although, I'm confident our city leaders wished it did.  And even if they did, that $12M a year hardly funds a city operating budget of $571M.  Falls a little short.

A rose to the Mayor for hiring a person who will always say "Yes Ma'am" at a cost of $130K.

quote: There was definitely no dog in the car. I don't see how any of these things are anymore than an inconvenience to the officer and could all be remedied without waisting large amounts of gas and causing unnecessary wear to the engine. I like to have a cold car too but am unwilling to pay to have it running all the time and I don't like the idea of someone using tax dollars like this.

Inconvenienced?  I'll try that next time I get yelled at by someone complaining of slow  response time.  "We were inconvenienced.  Chris said you and everyone else would understand.  It's just an inconvenience it took two hours to respond to your ...... (fill in crime type here)."  Yea.  That's it.

[Chris]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote: There was definitely no dog in the car. I don't see how any of these things are anymore than an inconvenience to the officer and could all be remedied without waisting large amounts of gas and causing unnecessary wear to the engine. I like to have a cold car too but am unwilling to pay to have it running all the time and I don't like the idea of someone using tax dollars like this.

Inconvenienced?  I'll try that next time I get yelled at by someone complaining of slow  response time.  "We were inconvenienced.  Chris said you and everyone else would understand.  It's just an inconvenience it took two hours to respond to your ...... (fill in crime type here)."  Yea.  That's it.

So you're saying that not leaving your car running all the time is causing a two hour delay ?

[Rowdy]

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Roses to the councilors as they are taking in hand the solution to why over half of the cars seem to be parked in the areas of the suburbs that is a deterrent to crime in their neighborhoods.   Although under the charter the purpose of the strong mayor was to set the policies of the city to be approved by the council.

If the sight of a police car is a deterrent then park all the extra and obsolete police cars at intersection throughout the city.   Watch the stop lights come on when drivers observe the parked police cars in the streets.

If 4% is assigned to traffic, then if they do not see 40 illegal operations of the rules of the road in an eight hour period then they would be sleeping.

It is a very simple and without extra stress to install an extra battery to operate the equipment that is needed rather than driving a 12 volt alternator with a 300 horse motor.

All the fines coming from tickets are dumped into the same revenue pot and all the city employees fill their cup from the pot.  To say it is not used for revenue purposes is like saying there are no speed traps.

A rose to the mayor as she is addressing the police bureaucracy failures by employing an out-of-towner to observe why we require the number of police but still it is not a secure society.

The counselors were very short sited in determining costs of take home cars.  They never took into account peoples' time sitting at a location waiting forever for someone who is on-call to respond.  In addition to waiting on that person to arrive, we now have to wait while that person drives to who-knows-where to get their car/truck and equipment, then drive to where they are needed, which may be on opposite sides of the city.  Just ask the Animal Shelter.  That time is wasted money.  They also didn't take into account the number of incidents police handle while driving into work or home from work.  Those poor citizens now get to wait even longer for an officer to respond.  Many who will lose their take home car will now do one of two things:  No longer be on call, thus losing that needed expertise, or, demand on-call pay, which police were not being paid prior.  While on-call pay is very small, it is way more expensive then two bucks worth of gas.

Extra police cars?  What planet are you on?  There aren't even enough cars to go around, let alone have extras sitting around.  What few are used as spares, are always being used.  In fact, officers often have to 'double-up' because there aren't enough cars.

And I'm assuming you mean traffic officers should write 40 tickets a day.  So what officers would you like to see investigate all the collisions they handle?  Those are part of their traffic duties and responsibilities in addition to enforcing traffic laws and helping patrol officers with calls.  Because traffic officers are traffic officers, they are still POLICE officers first.  And that stolen car that traffic officer just stopped doesn't just go away.  Neither does that driver with all the warrants or the guy with dope in his car.

And I realize it was silly of me to forget everyone outside the police department knows all about police cars and how they are maintained and know much better how to keep them running then police or the city garage.  I guess you should be hired by our city garage.  Of course, charging that extra battery and keeping it charged is another story.  That is the problem.  Lost two hours of my day a couple weeks ago for this very reason.

All fines are not dumped into the same revenue pot at the city.  Check your facts (or read prior posts).  They are spread out over several different governmental agencies, from the state on down.  A $120 ticket does not result in $120 going to the City of Tulsa, although, I'm confident our city leaders wished it did.  And even if they did, that $12M a year hardly funds a city operating budget of $571M.  Falls a little short.

A rose to the Mayor for hiring a person who will always say "Yes Ma'am" at a cost of $130K.

quote: There was definitely no dog in the car. I don't see how any of these things are anymore than an inconvenience to the officer and could all be remedied without waisting large amounts of gas and causing unnecessary wear to the engine. I like to have a cold car too but am unwilling to pay to have it running all the time and I don't like the idea of someone using tax dollars like this.

Inconvenienced?  I'll try that next time I get yelled at by someone complaining of slow  response time.  "We were inconvenienced.  Chris said you and everyone else would understand.  It's just an inconvenience it took two hours to respond to your ...... (fill in crime type here)."  Yea.  That's it.

Wilbur-
I was told to pay a fine for speeding as you know a month or so ago.  I was told to pay this "fine" to the TULSA REVENUE DEPARTMENT.

End of story.

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Rowdy

quote:Originally posted by Wilbur

quote:Originally posted by shadows

Roses to the councilors as they are taking in hand the solution to why over half of the cars seem to be parked in the areas of the suburbs that is a deterrent to crime in their neighborhoods.   Although under the charter the purpose of the strong mayor was to set the policies of the city to be approved by the council.

If the sight of a police car is a deterrent then park all the extra and obsolete police cars at intersection throughout the city.   Watch the stop lights come on when drivers observe the parked police cars in the streets.

If 4% is assigned to traffic, then if they do not see 40 illegal operations of the rules of the road in an eight hour period then they would be sleeping.

It is a very simple and without extra stress to install an extra battery to operate the equipment that is needed rather than driving a 12 volt alternator with a 300 horse motor.

All the fines coming from tickets are dumped into the same revenue pot and all the city employees fill their cup from the pot.  To say it is not used for revenue purposes is like saying there are no speed traps.

A rose to the mayor as she is addressing the police bureaucracy failures by employing an out-of-towner to observe why we require the number of police but still it is not a secure society.

The counselors were very short sited in determining costs of take home cars.  They never took into account peoples' time sitting at a location waiting forever for someone who is on-call to respond.  In addition to waiting on that person to arrive, we now have to wait while that person drives to who-knows-where to get their car/truck and equipment, then drive to where they are needed, which may be on opposite sides of the city.  Just ask the Animal Shelter.  That time is wasted money.  They also didn't take into account the number of incidents police handle while driving into work or home from work.  Those poor citizens now get to wait even longer for an officer to respond.  Many who will lose their take home car will now do one of two things:  No longer be on call, thus losing that needed expertise, or, demand on-call pay, which police were not being paid prior.  While on-call pay is very small, it is way more expensive then two bucks worth of gas.

Extra police cars?  What planet are you on?  There aren't even enough cars to go around, let alone have extras sitting around.  What few are used as spares, are always being used.  In fact, officers often have to 'double-up' because there aren't enough cars.

And I'm assuming you mean traffic officers should write 40 tickets a day.  So what officers would you like to see investigate all the collisions they handle?  Those are part of their traffic duties and responsibilities in addition to enforcing traffic laws and helping patrol officers with calls.  Because traffic officers are traffic officers, they are still POLICE officers first.  And that stolen car that traffic officer just stopped doesn't just go away.  Neither does that driver with all the warrants or the guy with dope in his car.

And I realize it was silly of me to forget everyone outside the police department knows all about police cars and how they are maintained and know much better how to keep them running then police or the city garage.  I guess you should be hired by our city garage.  Of course, charging that extra battery and keeping it charged is another story.  That is the problem.  Lost two hours of my day a couple weeks ago for this very reason.

All fines are not dumped into the same revenue pot at the city.  Check your facts (or read prior posts).  They are spread out over several different governmental agencies, from the state on down.  A $120 ticket does not result in $120 going to the City of Tulsa, although, I'm confident our city leaders wished it did.  And even if they did, that $12M a year hardly funds a city operating budget of $571M.  Falls a little short.

A rose to the Mayor for hiring a person who will always say "Yes Ma'am" at a cost of $130K.

quote: There was definitely no dog in the car. I don't see how any of these things are anymore than an inconvenience to the officer and could all be remedied without waisting large amounts of gas and causing unnecessary wear to the engine. I like to have a cold car too but am unwilling to pay to have it running all the time and I don't like the idea of someone using tax dollars like this.

Inconvenienced?  I'll try that next time I get yelled at by someone complaining of slow  response time.  "We were inconvenienced.  Chris said you and everyone else would understand.  It's just an inconvenience it took two hours to respond to your ...... (fill in crime type here)."  Yea.  That's it.

Wilbur-
I was told to pay a fine for speeding as you know a month or so ago.  I was told to pay this "fine" to the TULSA REVENUE DEPARTMENT.

End of story.

You're correct.  When you receive a traffic citation you don't mail in four or five checks to several different governmental agencies that total $120.  You make one check out to the City of __________.  That city is then required to distribute parts of those funds to different agencies as required by law.

[RecycleMichael]

Can't you just give the cash directly to the officer?

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Can't you just give the cash directly to the officer?

Absolutely not!  You expect any city to trust their police officers with money?  Police can take your liberties away and they can even take your life, but don't trust 'em with money.  They won't even let people pay at the police stations into a lock box anymore, like they used to in the past.  Jokes aside, that is one less responsibility and/or job function, making sure your register balances every night before you go home.

[RecycleMichael]

But what if I don't need a receipt?

Just kidding.