Most elected officials like river plan

[Ibanez]

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Originally posted by Double A

Thanks. Disagree with everything you said except this is not politics.

So, after the government waste is eliminated to the tune of $277 million from the state university level down to the local public education level, would you support this plan that the people of the city of Tulsa have asked for? Would you support letting the people vote on the tax?

I'm all for the plan. I just don't want to see a new tax created or taxes increased to pay for me.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Originally posted by waterboy

Originally posted by wavoka

Originally posted by waterboy

Originally posted by Double A

Originally posted by wavoka

Originally posted by TheArtist

Originally posted by Double A

Thanks. Disagree with everything you said except this is not politics.

So, after the government waste is eliminated to the tune of $277 million from the state university level down to the local public education level, would you support this plan that the people of the city of Tulsa have asked for? Would you support letting the people vote on the tax?

I'm all for the plan. I just don't want to see a new tax created or taxes increased to pay for me.

I'm guessing that getting it for free is not one of the options. Either something else gets eliminated (the arena? fat chance) or we pay for it with a mix of private/public funds as proposed. You can't find 277 million of tax waste in the city or county of Tulsa.

[T-TownMike]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Originally posted by waterboy

Originally posted by wavoka

Originally posted by waterboy

Originally posted by Double A

Originally posted by wavoka

Originally posted by TheArtist

Originally posted by Double A

Thanks. Disagree with everything you said except this is not politics.

So, after the government waste is eliminated to the tune of $277 million from the state university level down to the local public education level, would you support this plan that the people of the city of Tulsa have asked for? Would you support letting the people vote on the tax?

I'm all for the plan. I just don't want to see a new tax created or taxes increased to pay for me.

Only .4 percent tax for 7 years and in exchange we get at least $100 million of investments being matched without coming out of our pockets. This is a great plan. Did I mention it will GENERATE additional tax revenue for the city?

Some people would complain about everything, including this time, when there's a Hell of a return on our invetsment. Let's make Tulsa better and make this happen. It takes money to make money. .4 percent is a SMALL amount in exchange of the quality of life it will give the community.

[Ibanez]

Sorry, but I won't drink the Kool-Aid.

We are already being nickeled and dimed to death with taxes. We don't need additional ones  regardless of how small they might be. A tax is a tax is a tax no matter the size.

Again I think the plan is great, but if it is to be built they need to find the funds without raising taxes.

[TURobY]

I suppose I'm for this for the most part, but isn't there some way that we can get federal or state money for the dams? It just seems that we could find a higher entity to bilk that money from. We could say that the dams are for.... flood control? []

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Sorry, but I won't drink the Kool-Aid.

We are already being nickeled and dimed to death with taxes. We don't need additional ones  regardless of how small they might be. A tax is a tax is a tax no matter the size.

Again I think the plan is great, but if it is to be built they need to find the funds without raising taxes.

And there, in a few short pre-programmed sentences, is why Tulsa continues to slide into mediocrity. You drink the Kool-aid, just a different flavor than we do. I think your tax statements are like comfort food. Whenever a new opportunity arises that might cost public money, just reach for the anti-tax statements without thinking and it all feels better. Just how much in taxes is acceptable Wavoka? Only enough to provide water, police and jails?

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Sorry, but I won't drink the Kool-Aid.

We are already being nickeled and dimed to death with taxes. We don't need additional ones  regardless of how small they might be. A tax is a tax is a tax no matter the size.

Again I think the plan is great, but if it is to be built they need to find the funds without raising taxes.

And there, in a few short pre-programmed sentences, is why Tulsa continues to slide into mediocrity. You drink the Kool-aid, just a different flavor than we do. I think your tax statements are like comfort food. Whenever a new opportunity arises that might cost public money, just reach for the anti-tax statements without thinking and it all feels better. Just how much in taxes is acceptable Wavoka? Only enough to provide water, police and jails?

Hear, hear.  Without thinking and without the facts.  We get "nickeled and dimed" less than anyone in the country.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

I suppose I'm for this for the most part, but isn't there some way that we can get federal or state money for the dams? It just seems that we could find a higher entity to bilk that money from. We could say that the dams are for.... flood control? []

The state delegation tried, funds were wiped out by Katrina

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Sorry, but I won't drink the Kool-Aid.

We are already being nickeled and dimed to death with taxes. We don't need additional ones  regardless of how small they might be. A tax is a tax is a tax no matter the size.

Again I think the plan is great, but if it is to be built they need to find the funds without raising taxes.

And there, in a few short pre-programmed sentences, is why Tulsa continues to slide into mediocrity. You drink the Kool-aid, just a different flavor than we do. I think your tax statements are like comfort food. Whenever a new opportunity arises that might cost public money, just reach for the anti-tax statements without thinking and it all feels better. Just how much in taxes is acceptable Wavoka? Only enough to provide water, police and jails?

Hear, hear.  Without thinking and without the facts.  We get "nickeled and dimed" less than anyone in the country.

What does it matter if we are taxed less than other states? That is a damned stupid argument. Would you be happier if we were taxed at the rate of say Connecticut or Massachusetts?

[Townsend]

quote:Originally posted by swake

quote:Originally posted by TURobY

I suppose I'm for this for the most part, but isn't there some way that we can get federal or state money for the dams? It just seems that we could find a higher entity to bilk that money from. We could say that the dams are for.... flood control? []

The state delegation tried, funds were wiped out by Katrina

Well at least those funds were spent wisely and with total accountability.

I know this is another cost passed on to the taxpayer but man we need this.  If it doesn't pass, the river will be dead, dry, and non-productive for years longer.

The river could make so much money for all of us.  

This is the most reasonable way I've seen so far.  $100,000,000 private investment offered by a person I don't doubt can get it.  

There will always be doubts about large publicly funded projects..."who's getting their back scratched the hardest?"

I'd still vote for this tomorrow.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

Sorry, but I won't drink the Kool-Aid.

We are already being nickeled and dimed to death with taxes. We don't need additional ones  regardless of how small they might be. A tax is a tax is a tax no matter the size.

Again I think the plan is great, but if it is to be built they need to find the funds without raising taxes.

And there, in a few short pre-programmed sentences, is why Tulsa continues to slide into mediocrity. You drink the Kool-aid, just a different flavor than we do. I think your tax statements are like comfort food. Whenever a new opportunity arises that might cost public money, just reach for the anti-tax statements without thinking and it all feels better. Just how much in taxes is acceptable Wavoka? Only enough to provide water, police and jails?

Hear, hear.  Without thinking and without the facts.  We get "nickeled and dimed" less than anyone in the country.

What does it matter if we are taxed less than other states? That is a damned stupid argument. Would you be happier if we were taxed at the rate of say Connecticut or Massachusetts?

You now have changed from concerns about ineffective, wasteful government to tax rates and when shown our tax rates are low, you're still not satisfied! In answer to your "damn stupid" remark, I wouldn't mind the Ct or Mass tax rate if it brought a better lifestyle, more affluence, better roads, better educated residents and such. What do you want Wavoka? No taxes? What is a reasonable rate and where do you draw your conclusions from? No answers so far, means you are just reaching for the comfort food.

Successfully mining the potential of the river will leverage our economy and make for a better lifestyle. If you want the lowest taxes consider moving to a rural area.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by wavoka

What does it matter if we are taxed less than other states? That is a damned stupid argument. Would you be happier if we were taxed at the rate of say Connecticut or Massachusetts?

It's not stupid at all because it exposes you as a cheapskate.  You get what you pay for and you choose to pay for nothing, as far as we can tell.

Connecticut and Massachusetts are "nickled and dimed to death", as you say, at a rate that is far higher than Oklahoma's.  They aren't dead.  They aren't revolting.  In fact, their quality of life is high.

This town is in trouble and it's people like you who are trying to stamp it out of existence with your junk rhetoric and strongly held (and demonstrably wrong) beliefs.

[Conan71]

There again CL, look what the taxpayers in Mass. have gotten with their high taxes: "The Big Dig" [B)][}:)]

[Conan71]

Where can I read more about anticipated retail development along the river?  I think it would be a good idea for our tax dollar investment in the project to have a return in sales taxes.

[David Arnett]

Details the daily has not yet covered.

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