Fairness Doctrine Video

[guido911]

I am not making any statement about the doctrine (or the recent failed efforts to revive), but I found this video by an advocate amusing. Is it any surprise who this guy will be voting for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8yEPlyOrzw

[mr.jaynes]

Well, the gentleman in the video does make some good points. Specifically, media ownership. It's true that there are many TV and radio outlets, but these are owned by only a few companies. For instance, look at Clear Channel, Entercom, and Sinclair (among others), and how it owns something in just about every market.

[iplaw]

Damned capitalism allowing companies to produce products that people want and that make other people want to advertise with them.  Damn them!!!

[Lister]

^ What IP said..

Don't you think that those corporations would put more liberal talk shows on the market if they thought anyone would listen? It's all market driven and the market doesn't want liberal talk radio. Liberal talk radio would go belly up from lack of profit. We get fed all of that liberal crap from the tv networks anyway.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Damned capitalism allowing companies to produce products that people want and that make other people want to advertise with them.  Damn them!!!

No problems here with capitalism-just that media independence is quite rare these days, and that media ownership is more concentrated and micromanaged than in the past.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Damned capitalism allowing companies to produce products that people want and that make other people want to advertise with them.  Damn them!!!

No problems here with capitalism-just that media independence is quite rare these days, and that media ownership is more concentrated and micromanaged than in the past.

quote:Originally posted by Lister

We get fed all of that liberal crap from the tv networks anyway.

Liberal media? Yeah, OK, right. That canard never stops being funny.

[Lister]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Damned capitalism allowing companies to produce products that people want and that make other people want to advertise with them.  Damn them!!!

No problems here with capitalism-just that media independence is quite rare these days, and that media ownership is more concentrated and micromanaged than in the past.

quote:Originally posted by Lister

We get fed all of that liberal crap from the tv networks anyway.

Liberal media? Yeah, OK, right. That canard never stops being funny.

I agree! I think the liberal media is funny as well.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Lister

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

Damned capitalism allowing companies to produce products that people want and that make other people want to advertise with them.  Damn them!!!

No problems here with capitalism-just that media independence is quite rare these days, and that media ownership is more concentrated and micromanaged than in the past.

quote:Originally posted by Lister

We get fed all of that liberal crap from the tv networks anyway.

Liberal media? Yeah, OK, right. That canard never stops being funny.

I agree! I think the liberal media is funny as well.

The notion of a liberal bias in the mainstream media is obviously a tactic certain conservatives (not all of them, just some) like to use when they can't get the media to play ball with their agenda. Really, Lister, I expected so much better of you.

[iplaw]

MSNBC.com identified 144 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 17 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties. -- MSNBC

You could say that their party affiliation doesn't affect their reporting, but that would be pretty foolish.

[cannon_fodder]

Yeah, the whole "media bias" thing is probably over played, but it really is there.  Even when I am in a conversation with someone that I do not want to debate with my opinion comes through.  When I am selecting articles for research I instinctively grab the one that supports my view.

Media personnel are opinionated and outspoken by their nature.  I can only assume that, try as they might, a similar situation occurs.

So at best, it seeps in.  At worst, it is intentionally injected.  Assuming both liberals and democrats suffer from this flaw at various levels to the same degree - that's a 7 to 1 media bias in favor of liberals.  An internal investigation at the BBC called themselves too liberal. A  couple years back NPR acknowledged a "perceived liberal bias" and has pledged to change its ways.

CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, NBC and NPR are unbiased - just like Fox.  []  If the story is important glean the facts from a couple different wires and see what you can put together.

[iplaw]

quote:If the story is important glean the facts from a couple different wires and see what you can put together.

Possibly too complex or difficult for our instant microwave society?

[MichaelC]

Any of you guys like the new Doctor Who?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY4ipwKH8ts

That's a great use for Youtube.

[billintulsa]

I am no fan of corporate-owned broadcast stations, but here is one instance where I have to take their side.

The "fairness doctrine" didn't work in the 70's and 80's, and it won't work now.  Why?  People won't listen to liberal-based programming; advertising dollars won't be spent, and the broadcasters will lose money.  I'm not saying whether or not I agree with liberals, I'm just saying that when it comes to attracting an audience, they do seem to have a poor track record.  If broadcast stations could make a buck by airing Air America, they would put it on the air in a heartbeat.  The irony is that even though the large corporate-owned broadcast chains (e.g., Fox, Clear Channel, Cox, etc.) tend to be predominantly liberal, the programming which earns them their money is predominantly conservative.

When I was in broadcasting in the 70's, the station I worked for was asked to air some PSA's for the NAACP.  According to the law at the time, we would have had to have sought out and offered an equal amount of time to groups like the KKK to offer opposition to the respective PSA's from the NAACP.  In light of this unhappy duty, the legal counsel for the station I worked for advised us to not air the originally requested announcements.  

In my opinion, I find nothing "fair" about such a policy.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by billintulsa

People won't listen to liberal-based programming; advertising dollars won't be spent, and the broadcasters will lose money.  

I figure, put it out there and let it find the audience, be it locally or on the net. You'll get a few bites. Nice thing about radio: something for everyone.

quote:Originally posted by billintulsa

The irony is that even though the large corporate-owned broadcast chains (e.g., Fox, Clear Channel, Cox, etc.) tend to be predominantly liberal, the programming which earns them their money is predominantly conservative.

I don't know about that. May want to see what Clear Channel spent on political contributions before we mislabel them as adherents to any ideology.

[MichaelC]

Those that claim that the media is "liberal", are only doing so because the media doesn't fit their definition of "conservative."  You can't really blame the media for being the media, it'll on go so far.  So, they make stuff up call it liberal and hang on to that as long as they can.

People should be happy that there isn't a neocon on every channel screaming at you, carrying their beliefs out in public, pumping you full of fear, and fictionalizing events.  People should be happy that conspiracy nuts and neocons have an outlet to turn to for their daily brainwashing, in AM radio and Fox News.