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[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

My apologies to Pfox. I mistakenly lumped him into a response to Ost and Rose. Since he didn't call me a Communist or challenge the right to trash existing neighborhoods with "anything I want" he seems to be a civil poster. Refreshing.

Whoa, called a socialist and communist in roughly the same week.

Tough crowd. []

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[mac]

Let me take this discussion back to some facts.

Rose said:

quote: I think also, HP homeowners ARE required to obtain permission for exterior paint colors, among other things.

Rose,
Before you continue to show your ignorance about HP overlay zoning I suggest you gain some knowledge. If you go to www.incog.org you will see a copy of the city ordinance (Title 42, Chapter 10A ) and go to www.tulsapreservationcommission.org for a copy of the guidelines for all five HP neighborhoods.

Most of the people who live in these neighborhoods do so because they love the character. HP overlay zoning was established to maintain this character and preserve a bit of our past for the future residents of Tulsa. If we continue to raze existing houses and build inappropriate infill, whether it be houses, commercial buildings or (gad) parking lots, we will no longer have the character that once made Tulsa one of the most beautiful cities in the nation.

To be honest we are all told what we can or cannot do with our property, as you will see in the many regulations contained in Title 42 zoning code. So this is not a valid argument.

This extra HP overlay establishes protected areas much like we as a state and a nation provide for our parks, monuments and various historic buildings. Would we still have many of these treasures without some type of preservation?

To maintain a civilized society there must be regulations. Sometimes we must regulate to keep a bit of our history preserved from those who only see dollar signs and personal comfort or status when looking at any piece of property.

Whatever happened to the idea of forgetting our personal desires for the greater good of our community?

OK, I'm stepping off my soapbox now.

[pfox]

Just to clear it up, color is not a consideration on exterior materials unless those materials are classified as masonry.  Paint on masonry is subject to review by the TPC.  Generally, that means brick and mortar, but interpretations of the definition of masonry have also included stucco.

[Admin]

We're talking about preservemidtown.com and they're talking about us:

http://www.preservemidtown.com/

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Admin

We're talking about preservemidtown.com and they're talking about us:

http://www.preservemidtown.com/

Wow thats unusual. Its rare to see someone talk about us and not be cursing and scowling.

[Rose]

MAC-
Did you see Pfox's correction on paint?  It looks like we were both ignorantre: HP.  I stand to be corrected.  So, do you.
Rose

[booWorld]

According to the third sentence of Preserve Midtown's home page, developers are building houses right up to the curb.  I'd like to see those houses.  Exactly where in Midtown Tulsa are developers building houses right up to the curb?

[Rose]

I know.  Preserve Midtown is just trying to raise mass hysteria by sending out information that is not true.  It's always the same people doing the complaining and jumping into other people's business.  They NEED a cause.  

There aren't any houses built right up on the curb.  Developers are required to follow current zoning.  The house they show isn't in Tulsa either.  It's misleading.

I read the list of people who signed the petition and was surprised to see the names of a few smart people.

[razncain]

I spent a lot more per square foot to buy a home in Florence Park. It was worth every penny to be surrounded by the architecture & character of those beautiful bungalows. I was NOT a happy camper when the home was built across from the Baptist church that looked like it belonged in Broken Arrow -- with the garage in front of the house and all. It is completely reasonable to expect newer homes to reflect the original architectural design of the neighborhood.

[karenroach]

I want a McMansion!!  I don't want a smelly old house!!  I want an up to date one and so do most of my friends!! Do the people in Mid Town realize that their property values have gone up since these new houses have sold.  If everything stays the same, and there are restrictions put on housing in Midtown, I think the property values will eventually go down and people will move south!!  No one wants to live in the Historic District now because of the restrictions!!  Come on Tulsa--get with it!![]

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by karenroach

I want a McMansion!!  I don't want a smelly old house!!  I want an up to date one and so do most of my friends!! Do the people in Mid Town realize that their property values have gone up since these new houses have sold.  If everything stays the same, and there are restrictions put on housing in Midtown, I think the property values will eventually go down and people will move south!!  No one wants to live in the Historic District now because of the restrictions!!  Come on Tulsa--get with it!![]

Woo Hoo!! We're all going to be rich just like in South Tulsa! All we have to do is get together and decide which blocks are expendable and which styles get to live. I vote we get rid of those pretender homes. You know the ones that are "non-contributing". The hangers on that bought because the price was good and the character of the homes outstanding. Nobody important lives there, not very big and impressive and they probably need the money.

My home is now priced at $350,000 which is about $150ft. But you can probably fit a bigger home on the lot maybe even two. Woo Hoo! How many homes will you folks be needing? We just wants to please.

[karenroach]

Lots!!!

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by karenroach

Lots!!!

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[sassylas]

That is true about the historic  part of Tulsa because I live in a historic neighborhood.  On my block there are a lot of homes that need to be torn down.  I would love to see new, larger, two story homes built.  If those are called McMansions, then I am all for it! Bring it on![:X]

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by sassylas

That is true about the historic  part of Tulsa because I live in a historic neighborhood.  On my block there are a lot of homes that need to be torn down.  I would love to see new, larger, two story homes built.  If those are called McMansions, then I am all for it! Bring it on![:X]

Hmmm. I'm smelling the scent of front men for the infill builders lobby. Or the builders themselves.

There's plenty of perfectly good historic, well built structures left to be razed downtown. Let us at least get through a few years of retirement before you grab off our lifestyle.