7 Wonders of Tulsa

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

1. I wonder why we never reach consensus in Tulsa.
2. I wonder why people think taxes are high in Oklahoma.
3. I wonder when the river will be developed.
4. I wonder when the capitol will realize its in their best interest to share the states wealth with us.
5. I wonder why my dog is afraid of squeaky shoes.
6. I wonder who wrote the book of love.
7. I wonder when it will stop raining every other day.

Bonus Wonder: I wonder how long we'll tolerate such wide disparities of income before we realize thats why we have no consensus.

1. Because Tulsans are sick of having the taxpayer funded flights of fancy(Great plains, One Tech, V2025, the Channels, River Development, etc.) by the elites in this town shoved down our throats while the basic services and infrastructure in Tulsa crumbles, especially in struggling areas of the city that have been subjected to institutionalized neglect. The reason Tulsans don't trust our local government is they consistently fail to earn it and deliver the progress as promised.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Double A
[1. Because Tulsans are sick of having the taxpayer funded flights of fancy(Great plains, One Tech, V2025, the Channels, River Development, etc.) by the elites in this town shoved down our throats while the basic services and infrastructure in Tulsa crumbles, especially in struggling areas of the city that have been subjected to institutionalized neglect. The reason Tulsans don't trust our local government is they consistently fail to earn it and deliver the progress as promised.

If I am in favor of river development or voted for Vision 2025 I am an elitist?

I think you have too much class envy.

Why do you hate people who have made money and feel you should call them elitists? When you talk about the Mayor, you mention that she has a big house...how is that relevant to a conversation about moving city hall?

Why do you feel that Tulsans don't trust our government?

I disagree. I trust the Mayor, the City Council and others to do a good job. If the majority of citizens didn't trust them, we wouldn't have voted yes on things like the third penny extensions and Vision 2025.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

1. Because Tulsans are sick of having the taxpayer funded flights of fancy(Great plains, One Tech, V2025, the Channels, River Development, etc.) by the elites in this town shoved down our throats while the basic services and infrastructure in Tulsa crumbles, especially in struggling areas of the city that have been subjected to institutionalized neglect. The reason Tulsans don't trust our local government is they consistently fail to earn it and deliver the progress as promised.

I wouldn't say we're tired. The "Tulsa Project" lost numerous times, the Channels was a bust, and the library bond issue as well. However we still voted for 3rd penny, 4 to fix and v2025.

I'm a big fan of pay-per-use so let's bring back the gas tax for infrastructure and make all highways toll roads. While we're at it, changed riverside to a parkway instead of a highway and use some of the gas tax to subsidize public transportation (since driving a car will take too long or cost too much now)

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by Johnboy976

Did anyone ever think, as a kid (if you're young enough) that the Prayer Tower on the ORU campus was ready to take off at some point?

Btw, the Tulsa Driller cannot be left out of this list. Sure, it's an eyesore, but its memorable. You know, like one of those horrible memories that is etched into your brain for all your life. Or that red-headed step-child of yours that you wish you could leave in a swamp somewhere in Louisiana (not encouraging child abandonment in any form, so you know).

I wouldn't call it an eyesore and it is memorable, but I can think of better things to be haunted by in terms of monuments. Like that statue in midtown Sand Springs of some rich dude who supposedly built that town. It's a much more poignant and heartfelt tribute than the Driller seemed to be for me.

As for ORU, the comment comparing it to Babylon was, as I recall, infamously coined by Tulsa Reverend John Wolfe of All Souls Unitarian Church-and it did seem fitting at the time. Then again, if their system of architecture has been retained, it may still evoke that asessment from me too.

" 1. I wonder why we never reach consensus in Tulsa.
2. I wonder why people think taxes are high in Oklahoma.
3. I wonder when the river will be developed.
4. I wonder when the capitol will realize its in their best interest to share the states wealth with us.
5. I wonder why my dog is afraid of squeaky shoes.
6. I wonder who wrote the book of love.
7. I wonder when it will stop raining every other day.

Bonus Wonder: I wonder how long we'll tolerate such wide disparities of income before we realize thats why we have no consensus."

Been in Tulsa for about 13 years - my biggest wonder has been -

I wonder why people are so critical of the whole Oral Roberts/ORU thing.

He/it has brought many visitors, new residents, jobs, and even international attention to Tulsa, (although not always in a positive light.)

The international and national perception of ORU is mostly positive - the local perception - not so much. Why? I wonder.

Oh, I don't know about that. I remember how SNL did a spoof on the whole Oral Roberts thing, and it was pretty devastating; let's see, I think it was the late Phil Hartman as Oral and in the role of the Almighty, none other than guest host Charlton Heston. So if SNL can take a dim view of it, howe about the rest of the country?

[restored2x]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by Johnboy976

Did anyone ever think, as a kid (if you're young enough) that the Prayer Tower on the ORU campus was ready to take off at some point?

Btw, the Tulsa Driller cannot be left out of this list. Sure, it's an eyesore, but its memorable. You know, like one of those horrible memories that is etched into your brain for all your life. Or that red-headed step-child of yours that you wish you could leave in a swamp somewhere in Louisiana (not encouraging child abandonment in any form, so you know).

I wouldn't call it an eyesore and it is memorable, but I can think of better things to be haunted by in terms of monuments. Like that statue in midtown Sand Springs of some rich dude who supposedly built that town. It's a much more poignant and heartfelt tribute than the Driller seemed to be for me.

As for ORU, the comment comparing it to Babylon was, as I recall, infamously coined by Tulsa Reverend John Wolfe of All Souls Unitarian Church-and it did seem fitting at the time. Then again, if their system of architecture has been retained, it may still evoke that asessment from me too.

" 1. I wonder why we never reach consensus in Tulsa.
2. I wonder why people think taxes are high in Oklahoma.
3. I wonder when the river will be developed.
4. I wonder when the capitol will realize its in their best interest to share the states wealth with us.
5. I wonder why my dog is afraid of squeaky shoes.
6. I wonder who wrote the book of love.
7. I wonder when it will stop raining every other day.

Bonus Wonder: I wonder how long we'll tolerate such wide disparities of income before we realize thats why we have no consensus."

Been in Tulsa for about 13 years - my biggest wonder has been -

I wonder why people are so critical of the whole Oral Roberts/ORU thing.

He/it has brought many visitors, new residents, jobs, and even international attention to Tulsa, (although not always in a positive light.)

The international and national perception of ORU is mostly positive - the local perception - not so much. Why? I wonder.

Oh, I don't know about that. I remember how SNL did a spoof on the whole Oral Roberts thing, and it was pretty devastating; let's see, I think it was the late Phil Hartman as Oral and in the role of the Almighty, none other than guest host Charlton Heston. So if SNL can take a dim view of it, howe about the rest of the country?

SNL is a comedy show - a parody. That does not express the views of the nation. The skit may be funny - but it's a comedy skit - supposed to be funny.

Like you, I have lived in many states and overseas - the perception where I have been has not been as negative as here locally -

I wonder why?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Oh, I don't know about that. I remember how SNL did a spoof on the whole Oral Roberts thing, and it was pretty devastating; let's see, I think it was the late Phil Hartman as Oral and in the role of the Almighty, none other than guest host Charlton Heston. So if SNL can take a dim view of it, howe about the rest of the country?

Funniest preacher spoof on SNL was a repentant Jimmy Swaggart played by Phil Hartman being admonished by Dana Carvey's "Church Lady".

"And 'Little Jimmy' was out of his pulpit...isn't that SPECIAL!"

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Now, now.  It worked well for North Korea, the USSR, Poland, the Ukraine, Cuba, Vietnam, the Balkan states and Kazakhstan.  That's how they got to be the powerful and prosperous states they are today.  I, for one, whole heartedly trust my government to make informed and wise decisions.  The more they are in charge of, the better things will be!

I digress, back to the wonders!

Ooops forgot about those bastions of economic success.  My bad.

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

Oh, I don't know about that. I remember how SNL did a spoof on the whole Oral Roberts thing, and it was pretty devastating; let's see, I think it was the late Phil Hartman as Oral and in the role of the Almighty, none other than guest host Charlton Heston. So if SNL can take a dim view of it, howe about the rest of the country?

Funniest preacher spoof on SNL was a repentant Jimmy Swaggart played by Phil Hartman being admonished by Dana Carvey's "Church Lady".

"And 'Little Jimmy' was out of his pulpit...isn't that SPECIAL!"

And he was even able to convey that the illustrious Reverend Swaggart wasn't so much sorry about what he did, but probably more sorry that he got caught.

[restored2x]

Funny - "Wonders" is turning into politics and religion -

...makes me wonder...

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

Funny - "Wonders" is turning into politics and religion -

...makes me wonder...

Oh, I don't know. We talk alot of politics here, so religion seems to be an interesting point of divergence.

[restored2x]

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

Funny - "Wonders" is turning into politics and religion -

...makes me wonder...

Oh, I don't know. We talk alot of politics here, so religion seems to be an interesting point of divergence.

I'm really enjoying this forum. Some interesting people on here. The "back and forth" is cool.

[cannon_fodder]

Well, I started this thread trying to get actual wonders of Oklahoma or whatever... it just went downhill fast.  Bah!

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

quote:Originally posted by mr.jaynes

quote:Originally posted by Johnboy976

Did anyone ever think, as a kid (if you're young enough) that the Prayer Tower on the ORU campus was ready to take off at some point?

Btw, the Tulsa Driller cannot be left out of this list. Sure, it's an eyesore, but its memorable. You know, like one of those horrible memories that is etched into your brain for all your life. Or that red-headed step-child of yours that you wish you could leave in a swamp somewhere in Louisiana (not encouraging child abandonment in any form, so you know).

I wouldn't call it an eyesore and it is memorable, but I can think of better things to be haunted by in terms of monuments. Like that statue in midtown Sand Springs of some rich dude who supposedly built that town. It's a much more poignant and heartfelt tribute than the Driller seemed to be for me.

As for ORU, the comment comparing it to Babylon was, as I recall, infamously coined by Tulsa Reverend John Wolfe of All Souls Unitarian Church-and it did seem fitting at the time. Then again, if their system of architecture has been retained, it may still evoke that asessment from me too.

" 1. I wonder why we never reach consensus in Tulsa.
2. I wonder why people think taxes are high in Oklahoma.
3. I wonder when the river will be developed.
4. I wonder when the capitol will realize its in their best interest to share the states wealth with us.
5. I wonder why my dog is afraid of squeaky shoes.
6. I wonder who wrote the book of love.
7. I wonder when it will stop raining every other day.

Bonus Wonder: I wonder how long we'll tolerate such wide disparities of income before we realize thats why we have no consensus."

Been in Tulsa for about 13 years - my biggest wonder has been -

I wonder why people are so critical of the whole Oral Roberts/ORU thing.

He/it has brought many visitors, new residents, jobs, and even international attention to Tulsa, (although not always in a positive light.)

The international and national perception of ORU is mostly positive - the local perception - not so much. Why? I wonder.

Oh, I don't know about that. I remember how SNL did a spoof on the whole Oral Roberts thing, and it was pretty devastating; let's see, I think it was the late Phil Hartman as Oral and in the role of the Almighty, none other than guest host Charlton Heston. So if SNL can take a dim view of it, howe about the rest of the country?

SNL is a comedy show - a parody. That does not express the views of the nation. The skit may be funny - but it's a comedy skit - supposed to be funny.

Like you, I have lived in many states and overseas - the perception where I have been has not been as negative as here locally -

I wonder why?

Well, sure it's supposed to be funny. But hey, I still remmeber the stars of TV Evangelism, the scandals, the power, the politics, the money, the whole nine, and perhaps we needed to parody the whole genre, because it was a big topic of concern back in the day.

To respond to your post, I was still in High School in Tulsa when the esteemed Reverend Roberts holed himself up in that prayer tower as he was trying to raise that $7 million by March 31 or God was gonna call him home; I trust everyone knows what the day after March 31 is? I understand KMRG's John Erling had a field day on his show ragging on him-I know I did! And if locally, people can see how outrageous this particular fundraising stunt really was, what does the rest of the country think about it? I mean, SNL notwithstanding, Johnny Carson tore into it, and if Letterman avoided the subject I'd be surprised.

As for the perception being mostly positive, let's take TV evangelists as a whole and see where people stand. You had one guy who just sat there, smoking a cigar and muttering about this and that, while on the other extreme, you got another guy claiming that God wanted him to run for President. Over here, you have a fire-and-brimstone singing evangelist who regularly cruises down to the New Orleans area to get his particular kicks, and on the other hand, some evangelists with a theme park and resort. Over there, you got a guy who fakes miracles with a transmitter in his ear, and over there, a guy whose infomercial-resembling program promises huge returns on your seed faith donation (and I'm not referring to Oral here!). Let us prey.

So when you see Roberts making a fool of himself on TV like that, it doesn't do much to help the image of not only him, but evangelists in general. Sure, those devoted masses might find a way to rationalize that kind of buffoonery, but hey, some of us know better.

As for his college, let's face it, it looked kinda chintzy; it wasn't exactly Tulane or Loyola (or even my alma mater, University of New Orleans). And if the look they were going for was something out of an old 1930s Sci-Fi film, they failed miserably. Sure, it provides jobs, attracts conferences, what have you, but hey, so does Vegas.  

Me, I'm born in New Orleans, spent my childhood and teens in the Tulsa area, went home to New Orleans and moved from there to Biloxi a few years later; I guess a case could be made for classifying me as a former Okie, but hey, whichever. I've traveled in the US, yes, plan to do more (pondering a trip to the Baltics, in fact, my first international voyage!). Some people either have no opinion when you tell them you're from Oklahoma or even lived there, or they snicker and giggle. But hey, I cope.

[deinstein]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Bonus Wonder: I wonder how long we'll tolerate such wide disparities of income before we realize thats why we have no consensus.

Socialism sucks.  Marx is dead.

Ignorance is bliss.

Just ask Scandinavia...

[mr.jaynes]

quote:Originally posted by deinstein

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

Bonus Wonder: I wonder how long we'll tolerate such wide disparities of income before we realize thats why we have no consensus.

Socialism sucks.  Marx is dead.

Ignorance is bliss.

Just ask Scandinavia...

I don't truck with socialism, but whatever meets their needs and wants, I suppose.