Reports of sharp drop in Latin community business

[MichaelBates]

People used to tell me I was wasting my time studying a dead language, but now it turns out we have an entire Latin community.

Ave, amici Latini!

[restored2x]

!Adios!

This conversation is a no-win discussion. There doesn't even seem to be any acceptable middle ground. You're either in agreement with these guys, or you're a racist hater. It's a shame.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

To infer that all who disagree with your viewpoint on illegal aliens, immigration reform, or how the new law affects local tax revenue...

I think you can have differing points of view on immigration reform and illegal aliens, but I think your being pretty naive if you think chasing several thousand laborers and consumers out of Tulsa won't hurt the our bottom line.  From what I hear, it already has.

This is only going to leave more slack for the rest of us to pick up.  It's a fair bet that the haters that prompted this change won't be too excited about paying more taxes.  Talk about unintended consequences. [xx(]

If I am a hater because I want our immigration laws respected, because I am genuinely concerned about the spiralling costs for health other public services, and because I am tired of hearing stories of drunken illegal aliens killing Americans in car wrecks or the committing of other violent crimes, so be it.

R2X, remember and take solace, Hometown and CF's side in this debate is the same as Geraldo Rivera.  

[Hometown]

We aren't having a debate on immigration we are talking about sales tax revenues in Tulsa.

Let's check back in a couple of months and see what the trends look like.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

To infer that all who disagree with your viewpoint on illegal aliens, immigration reform, or how the new law affects local tax revenue...

I think you can have differing points of view on immigration reform and illegal aliens, but I think your being pretty naive if you think chasing several thousand laborers and consumers out of Tulsa won't hurt the our bottom line.  From what I hear, it already has.

This is only going to leave more slack for the rest of us to pick up.  It's a fair bet that the haters that prompted this change won't be too excited about paying more taxes.  Talk about unintended consequences. [xx(]

If I am a hater because I want our immigration laws respected, because I am genuinely concerned about the spiralling costs for health other public services, and because I am tired of hearing stories of drunken illegal aliens killing Americans in car wrecks or the committing of other violent crimes, so be it.

R2X, remember and take solace, Hometown and CF's side in this debate is the same as Geraldo Rivera.  

And the other side is Michael Savage and Sean Hannity, your point?

There are idiots on both sides and the hate spewed from some on the right is shocking.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

I don't know about Floyd - but

Far be it from me to upset the law abiding (inflated charitable contributions, speeding, pilfering from work, subprime mortgage capital of the U.S., nation's leaders in child abuse, most women incarcerated, surrounded by chronic hunger, churchgoing hypocrite, uneducated hick, descendants of economic refugees) fine citizenry of Oklahoma. After all these are my people and Tulsa is my blessed hometown.

that sounds an awful lot like, "If you don't agree with me, you are one of these - or part of the Aryan Brotherhood." To infer that all who disagree with your viewpoint on illegal aliens, immigration reform, or how the new law affects local tax revenue, are racists is "painting with broad strokes".

It is unfair to use those tactics. You are painting all as white trash KKK members. A discussion is about the issues and opinions - not name-calling (from either side). That only gets on people's nerves and riles up more of the same.

Welcome to Hometown's world R2X.

HT spent 30 years living out in San Francisco.

Need I say more?

And you never went anywhere Conan.  You can brag to your grandchildren about it.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

I'll do my part for the city.  I'm going to eat dinner at Senior Tequila's tonight.  Those guys are cooking meals that other American's won't cook, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let you bunch of hate filled, hatemongers chase my cheap mexican dinners out of town.  Shame on you.

get the fajitas del mar... mmmmm

[Conan71]

My mother drew a circle in the front yard and put me on a leash.  I'm still there.

[waterboy]

You guys make it hard to have a decent conversation. Let me ask two questions and see if anyone can respond without attitude.

1. How are sales tax collections in OKC and the rest of the state? Hispanics are all over the state. When I see a wide discrepancy like Bixby up, Jenks down it raises questions. It rained both places. In fact it rained all over the freaking state Burner. Why did some areas increase, some stayed level and some decreased? I don't believe that spending follows squall lines.

2. Would anyone really be surprised to find out that Hispanics have started leaving communities that express enmity towards them? Legal or not makes no difference.

Edit: I just noticed that OKC was added to the map and its up. Guess it didn't rain hard enough there.

Note: when do you people work? I barely have time to post in the early am and some in the pm, but some of you folks are full time posters with unlimited search time apparently.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelBates

People used to tell me I was wasting my time studying a dead language, but now it turns out we have an entire Latin community.

Ave, amici Latini!

yes, but apparently it hasn't outgrown the native smartass community.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

!Adios!

This conversation is a no-win discussion. There doesn't even seem to be any acceptable middle ground. You're either in agreement with these guys, or you're a racist hater. It's a shame.

Why on earth would you think that our Hispanic and Latino community would see things your way?  Put yourself in someone else's shoes for goodness sake.  This town is targeting people they know: friends, neighbors, and family.  How would you feel?

There are thousands of people out there who think that people like you are motivated by nothing more than bigotry.  From what I'm hearing, quite a lot of them are voting with their feet and leaving Tulsa for friendlier U.S. communities, places that don't cave when people like you start hollering indignantly.

Go ahead and dance your righteous little "ullegul" dance while you can, because it does absolutely nothing to "solve" our national dilemma and it is apparently doing harm to Tulsa...something you'll invariably blame on somebody else.

Nice work there, champ.  What's next?  Workforce "camps" for the homeless?  Forehead tatoos for ex cons?[xx(]

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

!Adios!

This conversation is a no-win discussion. There doesn't even seem to be any acceptable middle ground. You're either in agreement with these guys, or you're a racist hater. It's a shame.

Why on earth would you think that our Hispanic and Latino community would see things your way?  Put yourself in someone else's shoes for goodness sake.  This town is targeting people they know: friends, neighbors, and family.  How would you feel?

There are thousands of people out there who think that people like you are motivated by nothing more than bigotry.  From what I'm hearing, quite a lot of them are voting with their feet and leaving Tulsa for friendlier U.S. communities, places that don't cave when people like you start hollering indignantly.

Go ahead and dance your righteous little "ullegul" dance while you can, because it does absolutely nothing to "solve" our national dilemma and it is apparently doing harm to Tulsa...something you'll invariably blame on somebody else.

Nice work there, champ.  What's next?  Workforce "camps" for the homeless?  Forehead tatoos for ex cons?[xx(]

I'm a bit confused as to what Restored2x said that inspired this diatribe.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

If I am a hater because I want our immigration laws respected, because I am genuinely concerned about the spiralling costs for health other public services, and because I am tired of hearing stories of drunken illegal aliens killing Americans in car wrecks or the committing of other violent crimes, so be it.

R2X, remember and take solace, Hometown and CF's side in this debate is the same as Geraldo Rivera.

Wanting immigration laws enforced does not make you a hater.  But expecting your city council and local police to do a job that the feds refuse to do makes us all look like a bunch of bigots, stupid ones at that.  

And if you cared at all about spiralling health care and public service costs then you'd know that illegal aliens aren't the problem...so don't give me that cr*p.  Where's your proof?

I've let you righteous types go on and on about how "illegals" are bad for 'Merica.  And it looks like you guys have got what you wanted...an exodus...from Tulsa anyway.  It's exactly what we don't need.  That's gonna hurt us and I want to hear you guys take ownership for it.  I want you up at the microphone explaining that, since you chased off several thousand taxpayers, we all now need to pay a higher rate, and why we're all going to have to start paying more than our neighbors for just about everything.  Are you willing to accept responsibility for that?

You can have your principled discussions about what this country needs to do about immigration policy, but Tulsa can't solve this country's problems by itself.  That's just dumb.

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

!Adios!

This conversation is a no-win discussion. There doesn't even seem to be any acceptable middle ground. You're either in agreement with these guys, or you're a racist hater. It's a shame.

Why on earth would you think that our Hispanic and Latino community would see things your way?  Put yourself in someone else's shoes for goodness sake.  This town is targeting people they know: friends, neighbors, and family.  How would you feel?

There are thousands of people out there who think that people like you are motivated by nothing more than bigotry.  From what I'm hearing, quite a lot of them are voting with their feet and leaving Tulsa for friendlier U.S. communities, places that don't cave when people like you start hollering indignantly.

Go ahead and dance your righteous little "ullegul" dance while you can, because it does absolutely nothing to "solve" our national dilemma and it is apparently doing harm to Tulsa...something you'll invariably blame on somebody else.

Nice work there, champ.  What's next?  Workforce "camps" for the homeless?  Forehead tatoos for ex cons?[xx(]

if getting rid of the illegals does "harm" to tulsa, then I say lets get busy with the harming.

the other day a builder told my brother in law that his house might be delayed "if those labor laws take hold"

man, **** that dude.  what a slimeball.  every one of his workers were illegal and he deserves to get what is coming to him, but he shouldn't make his customers suffer for his bad decisions.  there are plenty of legal workers who can do construction.

[AMP]

Weather has cost us over $24,000 in lost revenues from one location due to rain causing cancellations of 12 events there.  Also cost the concessionaires another $6,000 in lost revenue from sales of concession items, which where not purchased for resale.  

Cost me $3,600 in income alone thus far this season, having select dates on my schedule canceled.  

I relate to and agree with the weather causing lack of work/income and spending.  It has affected me and several of our staff directly.