Reports of sharp drop in Latin community business

[guido911]

Oh, this just in...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070725/NATION/107250079/1001

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Oh, this just in...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070725/NATION/107250079/1001

So in like, 6 years?

[restored2x]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by restored2x

!Adios!

This conversation is a no-win discussion. There doesn't even seem to be any acceptable middle ground. You're either in agreement with these guys, or you're a racist hater. It's a shame.

Why on earth would you think that our Hispanic and Latino community would see things your way?  Put yourself in someone else's shoes for goodness sake.  This town is targeting people they know: friends, neighbors, and family.  How would you feel?

There are thousands of people out there who think that people like you are motivated by nothing more than bigotry.  From what I'm hearing, quite a lot of them are voting with their feet and leaving Tulsa for friendlier U.S. communities, places that don't cave when people like you start hollering indignantly.

Go ahead and dance your righteous little "ullegul" dance while you can, because it does absolutely nothing to "solve" our national dilemma and it is apparently doing harm to Tulsa...something you'll invariably blame on somebody else.

Nice work there, champ.  What's next?  Workforce "camps" for the homeless?  Forehead tatoos for ex cons?[xx(]

I'm a bit confused as to what Restored2x said that inspired this diatribe.

Yeah -

This is almost funny. The guy doesn't even know me. I haven't taken a stand on either side of this issue. I am not a republican. I don't listen to talk radio. I lived in Latin America (where I was the minority) for ten years and speak spanish fluently. How dare you accuse me of being a hater.

I feel like the guy who tries to break up a fight and clarify what caused the fight, only to get punched in the face for trying to understand.

What I AM saying is that your argument, HT, is weakened by the name-calling. This is not "white against brown". You started a thread on tax revenue being affected by the new state law. When people called you on it - and stated there may be other factors involved - you started calling them racists and worse. That's what ticks me off. That is unfair. You do not know me. I will NOT back down. YOU ARE WRONG!

I am not a hater. I have brown children. Mine - not adopted. This is why you are wrong: YOU are the one spouting hate and racism. You are pre-judging folks. What you are saying you hate and dislike is exactly what you are doing here. You have lost your integrity in my eyes and the eyes of many on this board. Your posts are meaningless drivel.

An exodus of illegals MAY hurt the local economy. It only makes sense: People leave, money leaves. To attribute all of it to one law is not wise. There are other factors.

All anyone has tried to do in this thread is point this out. Maybe you should start a different thread that allows you to express your concerns about immigration law and how it is dealt with here in Tulsa - instead of trying to lure people in with "concerns" about the local economy and tax revenue. That was dishonest and unethical.

Attacking people's "whiteness" is just as bad as attacking someone's blackness, or brown-ness. You, my friend, are deceived and deluded. "Why, some of my best freinds are brown." Xenophobes, my a$$. You have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not an Okie - but am equally as offended as the Okies when you call anyone who disagrees with your post what you called them.

You should be banned. If the show was on the other foot - and someone was trashing a minority on this board - I bet they'd be banned. Equality goes both ways by definition.

[iplaw]

^^^^

[MichaelC]

Are you surprised?  The window of opportunity to simply close the borders is pretty much gone.  

Comprehensive is the name of the game.  Politically, that's a second term deal.  Unless the GOP gets it's head out, it won't pass then either.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Oh, this just in...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070725/NATION/107250079/1001

Ah, the Reverend Moon's newspaper.

[BixB]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

The Bixby increase was an outlier because the city recently instituted a sales-tax increase to help pay off debts and other improvements.

The Bixby sales tax was increased by 1/4 cent, so I don't think it alone would be enough to explain a 20+% increase in revenues.  I believe it has a lot more to do with the opening of a Super Wal-Mart and other businesses in the area.  Since Bixby does not have as large a sales tax base as Tulsa and many of the other 'burbs, the additional revenue from a store like the Wal-Mart would alone have a large impact on the percentage change. With the continued development along South Memorial, I would expect to see a double digit positive change in Bixby's revenue between 07 and 08 as well.

[Hometown]

A couple of questions:

Restored2xs, please point me to the post where I called you a hater.  Please point me to the post in this thread where I "called names."

Double A, you have made an issue of your involvement in local Democrat Party politics.  I guess if Lyndon LaRouche can call himself a Democrat, you can.  But I have a question for you that is a bit of an aside.  Do you believe that you should be held accountable for the things that you have posted on TulsaNow about Latinos and undocumented workers in regards to your work with the party?

Mr. Little, I suspect you are probably still unhappy with me because of my past positive comments about Hugo Chavez but I have to say that you are awesome.  Thank you for hanging around.  Sometimes I feel like Lott looking around Sodom trying to find at least one virtuous person.

[iplaw]

Here's a sample:

quote:Far be it from me to upset the law abiding (inflated charitable contributions, speeding, pilfering from work, subprime mortgage capital of the U.S., nation's leaders in child abuse, most women incarcerated, surrounded by chronic hunger, churchgoing hypocrite, uneducated hick, descendants of economic refugees) fine citizenry of Oklahoma. After all these are my people and Tulsa is my blessed hometown.

Emphasis mine.  It's fair to surmise that what is emphasized is in reference to the perjoratives listed before it.  I assume you don't consider this to be "called names."

[Hometown]

Every parenthetical item was taken from local newspaper reports on Oklahoma with the exception of "churchgoing hypocrite" and "descendant of economic refugees."  One can conclude that there is some hypocrisy in our churchgoing crowd because of the discrepancy between the social conditions mentioned before the use of that term and the teachings of Christ.  "Descended from economic refugees" is a matter of state history and our free land grants.  The vast majority of citizens of the United States are descended from economic refugees.  Calling someone a hypocrite can be a statement of belief.  The high and mighty attitude of some citizens holding themselves out as examples of being perfectly legal in every respect calls for a correction.

Now, if I were to call you an anemic flea I would be guilty of name calling.  

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by BixB

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

The Bixby increase was an outlier because the city recently instituted a sales-tax increase to help pay off debts and other improvements.

The Bixby sales tax was increased by 1/4 cent, so I don't think it alone would be enough to explain a 20+% increase in revenues.  I believe it has a lot more to do with the opening of a Super Wal-Mart and other businesses in the area.  Since Bixby does not have as large a sales tax base as Tulsa and many of the other 'burbs, the additional revenue from a store like the Wal-Mart would alone have a large impact on the percentage change. With the continued development along South Memorial, I would expect to see a double digit positive change in Bixby's revenue between 07 and 08 as well.

the supercenter is in Tulsa, not bixby.  they dont see a dime of that.

however,I bet the starbucks contributed well to their coffers.  bixby is growing now just in that area but all over.  it is the new hot town.

[iplaw]

So I take that as a "yes," that you do admit that it was calling people names, but it was just that it was taken from a "newspaper report" and that somehow makes it less offensive?  Or was it because you were stereotyping Oklahomans but not directing the comments towards any one individual, that makes it okay?

Please direct me to the newpaper story where you found the term "uneducated hick."

[restored2x]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

A couple of questions:

Restored2xs, please point me to the post where I called you a hater.  Please point me to the post in this thread where I "called names."

Name Calling:

Far be it from me to upset the law abiding (inflated charitable contributions, speeding, pilfering from work, subprime mortgage capital of the U.S., nation's leaders in child abuse, most women incarcerated, surrounded by chronic hunger, churchgoing hypocrite, uneducated hick, descendants of economic refugees) fine citizenry of Oklahoma. After all these are my people and Tulsa is my blessed hometown.

Yeah - that qualifies as name-calling.

I don't have the patience to go through all your posts here and find the hater accusation - the tone and message of the posts is obvious. It's not a matter of semantics, it's a matter of message.

[Hometown]

No, referencing reports on social conditions in Oklahoma is not calling names.

I'll stand by "uneducated" as a statement of fact regarding a significant number of Oklahomans.

"Hick," oh okay, that's name calling.  You caught me.  Pretty tame though considering the range of appropriate slurs.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

No, referencing reports on social conditions in Oklahoma is not calling names.

I'll stand by "uneducated" as a statement of fact regarding a significant number of Oklahomans.

"Hick," oh okay, that's name calling.  You caught me.  Pretty tame though considering the range of appropriate slurs.

You're amazing...why don't you go back to Cuuulifornia where people are better educated, and more progressive.  The land where they elect mysoginistic a$$ gropers as Gubners.

I'm tired of your Oklahoma (specifically Tulsa) bashing threads, and from the tone of other's responses, so are the majority of the other posters.

Leave us here unedjumicated bucktoofed retards alone.