Tulsa Councilors to vote on River Tax

[RecycleMichael]

How about your statement that Mingo Creek has filled up half it's capacity in the last twenty years?

That is so incorrect, it is laughable.

Bringing up the deaths of the two kids in stagnant water in your argument about the river is so unrelated, it is despicable.

[TheArtist]

Shadows quote... " The low water dams will create a death trap such as was blown up below the Keystone dam."

No they wont, these dams have an entirely different design. They are speciffically designed to be safe and not have the "undertow and rolling" effect of the old dams, including the way the Zink dam is now which will be rebuilt to get rid of the "death trap" effect.

Shadows quote...   "The by pass with the white water installation blows ones mental capacity."

Can you give us some reasons why you think this?

Shadows quote...   "A short time ago two children died from an illness caught by playing in a splash pad in the same water we drink.

I think you are either intentionally mischaracterizing the incident or don't know what your talking about. And what does that have to do with the river and this discussion about the river? Are you suggesting the drinking water is less safe than the water in the river?

[shadows]

Recycle:
In consideration of your close relationship to the SWM and failure to keep up with the changing of the pervious to the impervious surfaces, the impact the capacity of the out flow of the of the basin, the failure to maintain the channel and the removal of the settlement carried by the runoff used to fill in the floodway basin, it easy for one unfamiliar and without examining the extent of the continuing restricting of the storm water sewer, it is not uncommon for one to sit at a desk and say that is not happening.

At least you find amusement in the reality that there are people who have suffered and will continue to suffer because of the politics that have been involved.

There was a poster that related that he had swum in the Arkansas River with no ill effects.  In the line of thought that was being published my intent was that without extended explanations I might point out the incident of the boy's death from effects of approved conditions of the source of our drinking water.  The water has had very heavy concentration in lime deposits.

Therefore the condition could exist in boating incidents whereas it is quite often that boaters do leave the boat and enter into the water whether by choice or accident.    

[shadows]

Artist:
As there seems to be no design for the low water dams, any obstruction that is placed in the river has an adverse effect on the water flow and does create undertows in time of floods.   It also creates confidence in boaters and beach comers in high water flows, where as the ponds will need to a lifeguard standing by.  A twig in the river can change the depth of the river, when being used to dispense flood waters as well as change the courses within the river.

As to the riprap that is to be used to create the white water course taking the water from up stream to speed up the flow, due to the sand is heavier than the water, by the nature of the river the crevasses that create the white waters will fill with sand and the turbulence creating riprap making the waves will disappear until the sand is dredged out.

The relationship to the comparing the quality of water is founded on the inability for any entity to insure that they do not create a water source that contains an unidentifiable threat to those they are dedicated to protect.  

We paint many pictures that are fancies which cannot be associated with nature in the real world.

The average cfs must include the high flow along with generating flow and the no flow during the past dry period.   The building another dam to compensate as a holding tank in time of no releases of Keystone, with the high fluctuation of its water level will create another hazard.

For a city that is taking on more maintenance cost that cannot fix our city hall roof or calk the windows, the maintenance of the river should be looked into very closely.        

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by shadows
At least you find amusement in the reality that there are people who have suffered and will continue to suffer because of the politics that have been involved.

Please explain how you continue to suffer from flooding on Mingo creek.

I think I have figured out why you hate government so much. When the city bought out the flooded houses along Mingo Creek in the 1980s, they didn't buy yours. You are still pissed that the city bought out some of your neighbors at a good price and wouldn't buy your home.

[RecycleMichael]

I guess the motion failed three for and six against.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I guess the motion failed three for and six against.

Rico gets the cigar. He called it a week ago.

[RecycleMichael]

Rico knows too much.

He is either the luckiest guy or he has ways of making things happen his way.

I am just glad he uses his power for good.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Rico knows too much.

He is either the luckiest guy or he has ways of making things happen his way.

I am just glad he uses his power for good.

Maybe he is receiving e-mail messages that were not intended for him or...oh nevermind
[}:)]

[Rico]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Rico knows too much.

He is either the luckiest guy or he has ways of making things happen his way.

I am just glad he uses his power for good.

Lets make this more interesting and do the percentage of County votes for and against....

[}:)]

[rwarn17588]

County will vote no. 44% for, 56% against.

[Rico]

All of those that feel this is a "smart" move need to take a good long look at the "Trinity" project in Dallas......

The City of Dallas took $246. Million approved by the voters in 1998 and has come up with Federal, State, and other matching funds to the tune of One Billion Dollars..

There was no rush to build....There were no ultimatums placed on them by "donors?" "philanthropists?"....

They took their time and have a plan that is good no matter how you look at it.

One thing about plans.... They are kinda like concrete.
Very easy to pour.... But very hard to change once in place.

Have a look at   Trinity River Corridor Project

[TheArtist]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

All of those that feel this is a "smart" move need to take a good long look at the "Trinity" project in Dallas......

The City of Dallas took $246. Million approved by the voters in 1998 and has come up with Federal, State, and other matching funds to the tune of One Billion Dollars..

There was no rush to build....There were no ultimatums placed on them by "donors?" "philanthropists?"....

They took their time and have a plan that is good no matter how you look at it.

One thing about plans.... They are kinda like concrete.
Very easy to pour.... But very hard to change once in place.

Have a look at   Trinity River Corridor Project

Thats tiiiiny compared to Tulsas river and what Tulsa is trying to do. Plus who knows how much development it will have spurred in 10 years. However I completely agree that we should have thought this plan through bettter. I am just not sure how the federal matching thing works. They said they tried with the dams but have failed. And now they are saying that if you do more, the government will take more attention and be more likely to give you matching funds. I am not sure what they are saying?  If we vote for the plan we will THEN be more likely to get matching grants? But that doesnt sound quite right. But it also doesnt sound quite right that the government would allocate matching grants until there was something to match?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by TheArtist


Thats tiiiiny compared to Tulsas river and what Tulsa is trying to do.

Tiny?  The web site states it encompasses about 44,000 acres, or 20% of the total land area in the city of Dallas.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

County will vote no. 44% for, 56% against.

                                                 That would be my guess. I predict Wescott, Barnes, and Troyer won't be returned to office. I thought it was completely dishonest for these Councilors to mislead the public by stating that the resolution would deny the public the right to vote on this. Shameful. I also find it very ironic that Maria recently was part of a panel in a forum on ethics, yet she did not abstain from this vote, due to the fact that the Kaiser foundation is very involved with Kendall-Whittier. I wonder if conflicts of interest were discussed at that forum? I wonder if that influenced her vote?