Income up in Tulsa

[Conan71]

You weren't expecting to find a different Conman were you Axman?

[aoxamaxoa]

Well, I am one of those who still believes in hope.

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

CF....once again, I did not say you lied despite the accusation becoming standard in political debates by cons. I offered up my book to educate you how manipulating statistics can create a lie.

I have a book called "Why Stupid People are More Likely to be Negative" that you should read.  But I'm not saying you are stupid.  You called me a liar by implication, if not facially.  I'm willing to bet I have a much firmer grasp of statistical analysis than yourself.  If you have some desire to puff chests and compare statistical knowledge...

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It was TulsaWhirled that faulted the info by leaving out the fact you can't have a high standard of living by making $37,000 a year

Really?  Because people in Tulsa do better than the VAST majority of American cities.  Here I thought America had one of the highest standards of living in the world, and a city in the top 20% is apparently full of people living really poorly.

quote:and that the disproportionality [sic] of incomes in this city is enormous.

Go read the statistics I linked to.  There is no more disparity in Tulsa than anywhere.  Whats more, there is less disparity in the United States than many places in the world. I believe we have discussed this before and I linked to sources clarifying my view... and as always, you spouted off nonsense and faded away when repeatedly asked to show some support for your theories.

quote:But with all the labor leaving and the inflation to set in, that will change some.

Labor leaving?  I thought the population of Tulsa County was up 17,000 people since the 2000 census.  Man, dang government agencies not having as good math skills as the Ax man.  In my world, it would seem that there is 12000+ more laborers and still a ridiculously low unemployment level.  

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Because of the increased viewership this week, there is a desire to give the world a different impression than reality of Tulsa. I am fine with that. It's like the cut back in emissions that all of a sudden our air is better quality this week. Pretty easy to see.

The Tulsa World did not release those statistics.  The numbers are from the BEA and Census Bureau.  Why shoot the messenger, its not their fault it wasnt bad news.

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Do not accuse the axman of being a nay sayer. He is a truth teller...

Then this is really a continuously crappy place to live and you should either move away or end it.  If you are THAT miserable here and even news that Tulsa is growing income faster than than 95% of the other metro areas somehow translates as bad news - then nothing is going to make you happy.
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So, in summary:
1) Government Statistics.  Not manipulated, not World stats, not made up conspiracy crap.  These are the best numbers we will ever get.

2) You have still failed to mention HOW TULSA'S INCOME RISING FASTER THAN 95% OF METRO AREAS IS BAD NEWS?  

3) You still have yet to provide evidence that there is some radical income disparity in Tulsa.

4) You have never shown that the standard of living in Tulsa is below other metro areas.

You may not like statistics.  I don't know if you have trouble understanding them, or that they don't tell you what you want to hear, or if having actual data hinders your ability to make crap up.  But no matter, the numbers are there and rational people will use the best information available to both form and express their opinions.

It sure beats making stuff up and throwing it on the net.  Keep throwing, its bound to stick sometime.


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[aoxamaxoa]

I will not be baited by you CF. I am not into puffery. That's an issue with your personal ego.
Deal with it.

I like pointing out the Whirl on Tulsa from our local monopoly propaganda machine as much as I do pointing out the national hypocracy of our executive branch, justice department, and con gress.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

Well, I am one of those who still believes in hope.

You know the old saying about hope:

"Hope in one hand, **** in the other and see which one fills up faster."

[}:)]

[cannon_fodder]

quote:Originally posted by aoxamaxoa

I will not be baited by you CF. I am not into puffery. That's an issue with your personal ego.
Deal with it.

Translation:  "As always, I have no sources to back up my post and do not know what I am talking about."  I'm sorry if you view the understanding of facts as "puffery" or the challenge to back up what you said as baiting.  In my world, its called discussion.

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I like pointing out the Whirl on Tulsa from our local monopoly propaganda machine as much as I do pointing out the national hypocracy [sic] of our executive branch, justice department, and con gress [sic].

KRGM, Local ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, UTW, TBJ... please lookup the definition of monopoly and get back to me.

Plus, [THE STATISTICS WERE NOT FROM THE WORLD. How many times do you have to say something before you get it? Hating on statistics accepted by everyone but you doesn't berate the World, it just detracts from any credibility you have left.

If you are at all interested in salvaging yourself and making a point, feel free to answer the questions I asked above.  Thus far, you have failed to do anything useful.

[iplaw]

You'll notice that aox is disturbing similar to Timmy when it comes to facts and logic...they have no effect on them, in fact, they seem to be completely impervious to them.

[aoxamaxoa]

"Tulsan's are getting richer, quicker."

Which Tulsan's, gentlemen?

Conan, I never heard that old saying.

Did you just conjure that up?

[kakie]

Personal income or per capita income is the sum off all assests for a given group of people in a specific geographic area.  This is what the discussion topic is about.

But what I said was accurate.  The rich may be getting richer, giving rise to per capita income,  while the median and low income are not growing as much,  if at all. Just to look at total income for a given group does not give a complete picture of how well people as a whole are doing.

One has to look at median household income to see if it has grown as well as total personal income.  The study I used is just one of many out there thats shows the rich are getting richer while the rest are stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Would you like more data? Not a problem for me to find it for you.

The last statistic I saw on median household income wasn't too good for the country as a whole.  

In 1967 the median household income was $35,379 and 40 years later it is only 46,326 and has gone down from 1999.

I stand by what I said and believe there is still confusion.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/medhhinc.html

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by kakie

Personal income or per capita income is the sum off all assests for a given group of people in a specific geographic area.  This is what the discussion topic is about.

But what I said was accurate.  The rich may be getting richer, giving rise to per capita income,  while the median and low income are not growing as much,  if at all. Just to look at total income for a given group does not give a complete picture of how well people as a whole are doing.

One has to look at median household income to see if it has grown as well as total personal income.  The study I used is just one of many out there thats shows the rich are getting richer while the rest are stuck in the middle of nowhere.

Would you like more data? Not a problem for me to find it for you.

The last statistic I saw on median household income wasn't too good for the country as a whole.  

In 1967 the median household income was $35,379 and 40 years later it is only 46,326 and has gone down from 1999.

I stand by what I said and believe there is still confusion.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/medhhinc.html

Personal income is not the sum of all assets.  Personal income is the sum of earnings, not what someone owns.  Personal net worth is the sum of what someone owns less their liabilities.

Average income is a fair barometer of how all people are doing.  What areas are you citing in respect to median household income?  The U.S.?

Cite all you want.  But are you wishing to talk about income or net worth?

Helps if you stay on topic with the rest of us otherwise it's too hard to get your point.

[shadows]

In the real world the barter of exchange is what determines the value of the product that is to be purchased such as labor or abstract products.  

In quoting that the population of the metro is 900,000 with an average income of $18 per hour, which by using average we include those babies born on yesterday,   On the flip side of the coin many of the workers in the Tulsa's private sector, that does not include the AA nor the bus company that are subsidized by many by these working poor and SS recipients by city sales taxes, reach a point where they cannot furnish the services demanded.   McDonalds as well as many franchised establishments would like to be able to sell a burger for $10 dollars and hear those in the $37thousnd plus scream.  Then add a $2, 00 tips for the one serving the burger to bring their income up to average.

If I am not in error the plastic credit card originated from a Tulsa Bank which would have some effect on the total gross income of the city and area.  

The bottom line is dedicated to the devaluing the dollar where if it continues those figures will change where the average income will in another 20 years be increased to $370,000 which reflects the increasing income or the devaluating of the dollar the passing generation now is addressing.

I cannot find in the chronicles where the diplomas ever created the any trade wars.

I do see where the PR's are out well in force.  

[aoxamaxoa]

KAKIE, You will see. THEY are relentless.

It's like trying to nail down Go Go Gonzales.

[AMP]

Reminds me of the reporting in Daytona, Florida during Bike and Speed Weeks.  Everything is rosey there in the papers during Bike Week and Speed Week.

However, if you go online and read the reports the week prior to and the week after all the money spenders leave their community you will find a different story.  Reports of how the locals hate the Speed and Bike Weeks but love the money flowing into their cash registers.  

Speed Weeks, Bike Week, Spring Break, Black College Reunion and Biketoberfest

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&q=daytona+bike+week+locals+hate+bikers+but+love+money&um=1&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8

[Conan71]

Nattering naybobs of negativity...

[cannon_fodder]

Still no one has answered the question:  how could this be bad news?

And AMP... FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.
THIS IS NOT THE TULSA WORLD STATISTIC.  The World ran the article when the stats come out.

According to the breakdown stats given by the BEA, the median income is up.  The average income is up.  Every bracket is up.

What the hell counts as good news around here?  There is plenty of bad news in the world that we don't need to turn EVERYTHING into negative news.  No, the picture is not immaculate.  But Tulsa is better off than 297 other metro areas (including OKC, Albuquerque and other cities similar to use) AND has a faster rate of icnome growth.

HOW IS THAT BAD NEWS?
HOW IS THAT BAD NEWS?
HOW IS THAT BAD NEWS?
HOW IS THAT BAD NEWS?
HOW IS THAT BAD NEWS?
HOW IS THAT BAD NEWS?
HOW IS THAT BAD NEWS?