Christian Leader calls OK a Racial Battlefield!

[kakie]

OPEN TO THE PUBLIC MEETING NOTICE:

9/24/07: GOVERNOR'S ADVISORY COUNCIL ON LATIN AMERICAN AND HISPANIC AFFAIRS, Oklahoma City.

Everyone who can should attend this important meeting. This council has not approved the minutes from the last two meetings which were somewhat heated over HB 1804.

One of the board members, Guillermo Rojas, says HB 1804 is racist and is attacking YOU, the legal citizen of Oklahoma.

Meeting Notice
http://www.sos.state.ok.us/meetings/notices/000685/0167540706061825.htm

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[rickmusic53]

Rivera along with his illegal "friends" or whatever they are need to get out of my country. He says there is no desire in this country for 12 million illegals to be forced to leave.  He is very wrong.  I want them all gone.  I'm tired of paying taxes and the illegals spending it because they won't work or they don't have a social security number simply because they are illegal..very recently the Tulsa Police Department's Fraud Division arrested one of Rivera's "PEOPLE" because she had stolen a lady's social security number and was using it here in Tulsa.  Deport them all..I like many many others are sick of them.  By the way, send Rivera and his cronies with them.

[USRufnex]

It is not YOUR country, rickmusic.

It is OUR country.  I live here, too.  And I think that you, kakie, sauerbrauten, and all the redneck racist ilk in this state are a buncha lazy creeps who have zero respect for the people who work hard to make a living in this country.

These people work their BUTTS OFF in jobs putting up with all sorts of crap.  Most of them are not here from Mexico.  They're here from Texas... and they've been here for years and years...

Don't the employers of illegal workers bear any responsibility for the current situation at all?

Sorry to interrupt...

Carry on with your little throw all the brown people out of Tulsa pow-wow...

[KingMutt]

I think these anti immigrant guys are the same persons posting in multiple names.  They are the same posts with the same BS "facts."

You guys make racist posts. You can disguise it by calling them illegal aliens and harping on their "illegal" status.  You have no compassion and make no distinction between people committing actual crimes and those people who are simply working.

Ultimately, this issue will be resolved and some type of status will be granted to these folks.  In the meantime, keep up your racist rants and make Tulsa proud!  Losers.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by KingMutt


Ultimately, this issue will be resolved and some type of status will be granted to these folks.  

Maybe in some states but thankfully not in Oklahoma. Nov 1st the "illegals" will be gone and rightly so.

....and if any of you want to hire them after that, get use to having Bubba for a cell mate.

[sauerkraut]

The courts may put that law #1804 on "hold", or it could be overturned.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

It is not YOUR country, rickmusic.

It is OUR country.  I live here, too.  And I think that you, kakie, sauerbrauten, and all the redneck racist ilk in this state are a buncha lazy creeps who have zero respect for the people who work hard to make a living in this country.

No one makes you stay. Most of us would be just as happy to see you leave as we are to see the illegal aliens leave. Join the exodus of your amigos.

[Porky]

Oklahoma's Immigration Reform is in the spotlight again. Among other things, House Bill 1804 makes it illegal to harbor or transport undocumented aliens and makes it illegal for businesses to hire them, or for them to receive government benefits. HB 1804 takes effect November 1, 2007, but as The News On 6's Steve Berg reports, Hispanic leaders are vowing to stop it before it starts.

The Reverend Miguel Rivera from the National Coalition of Latin Clergy and Christian Leaders announced Friday it will file a lawsuit in federal court against Oklahoma's Immigration Reform Law, and seek an immediate injunction against it.

"The 1804 is a frivolous law, a frivolous law," Reverend Miguel Rivera, Coalition of Latin Clergy and Christian Leaders said.

Rivera says they will argue the law is unconstitutional and that federal law supersedes state law in this case, sometimes referred to as the pre-emptive doctrine of the constitution.

"We have sufficient evidence that the pre-emptive doctrine, it's being violated by 1804," said Rivera.

Reverend Rivera says while his group opposes the Oklahoma law, it supports some kind of comprehensive immigration reform.


http://www.kotv.com/news/topstory/?id=136864

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by Double A


No one makes you stay. Most of us would be just as happy to see you leave as we are to see the illegal aliens leave. Join the exodus of your amigos.

My AMIGOS are Americans.  Most of the hispanics in Tulsa are here LEGALLY.  

And, who is this Tulsa activist group you speak of, "most of us"???

Because most of the people I meet here in Tulsa are NOT the kind of activist anti-immigrant ilk that I see posting over-and-over ad infinitum on this forum pretending to speak for most Okies... the handful of pseudo-patriots who insist all the brown-skinned people who speak spanish in this city are here illegally...

I'm convinced the exodus of hispanics is overblown....... so far.  I've seen a few people move but most are staying (though many NOW feel uncomfortable here)...

If Okies treat their hispanic friends, co-workers and neighbors like criminals, then you'll probably get your wish, Double A....... throw the baby out with the bathwater and you'll see the economic vitality of the city of Tulsa shrivel up like a prune...

That's not a threat... the brain/talent drain has already been going on for years...

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex
 I've seen a few people move but most are staying (though many NOW feel uncomfortable here)...

if they are here legally then they have nothing to feel uncomfortable about.

[perspicuity85]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut

I favor "profiling". The illegals are taking away jobs form legal U.S citizens and lowering our wages and standard of living. We are all taxpayers and the illegals are costing every taxpayer money. We need to ship them back to their homeland. if frosts me when I see illegals flying the flag of their home country on their car or a window sticker of their homeland flag. If they like it there so much why do they come here? The foreigners need to fix up their own home nation and make it great not come here and take what another country has.

This is an ignorant statement.  My grandparents' grandparents came to the US via Ellis Island from Germany.  They spoke German until the day they died, and maintained German cooking traditions that have been passed all the way down to me.  Is it your opinion that my ancestors should have been kicked out of the country because they "took -er jobs?"

I agree that illegal immigration puts a strain on services paid for by taxes.  But instead of offering a solution to that problem, you have instead made racially motivated comments and attacked the latino culture rather than the issue at hand.

It is estimated that there are 12 million illegals working in the US.  Most of them are doing jobs that no one else is willing to do.  American businesses are now relying on the cheap labor to operate,  and kicking the illegals out will only make the problem worse for American industries.  It would actually be more responsible for the government to create programs for which employers assist in the naturalization of their workforce.  Without a true effort to naturalize the illegal population, an underclass will slowly continue to emerge in American society.  This underclass will likely mimic the African Americans of early 20th century America, the only difference being the absence of "de facto" segregation laws.  Instead of focusing on kicking the illegals out, we should focus on allowing the illegals to help themselves, and require employers to keep adequate employee tax information.

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by perspicuity85

 But instead of offering a solution to that problem, you have instead made racially motivated comments and attacked the latino culture rather than the issue at hand.

I read his post and no where in it did he make any racial remarks towards Latinos or anyone else.

If you can't understand the solution to this problem, I can make it very clear for you. Nov 1st is just a month away, make sure your friends are packed and gone by then or they'll be behind bars in an Okla State Prison facility.[^]

[carltonplace]

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

quote: If Tulsa decided to round up all Hispanics, check them for immigration papers, then let the legal citizens go, it would be racist because you infringed of the rights of US citizens by sequestering them based on race/ethnicity.  

Fill me in here...once someone becomes legal, does that mean that no one is allowed to ask them about their status?

If I migrated, legally, to a country that had a problem with illegals from my country and they were working to solve the problem, I would expect to be asked about my status, multiple times even. Should I get angry that I was asked about my status, no. If I'm legal, I have nothing to worry about, under the law.

Are we supposed to tip-toe around the issue of enforcement and asking ones status because it might upset them? If so, we're in worse shape as a country than I thought.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see it as racist. Do we have a right to ask someone who can't speak english their legal status? You bet!
Should we assume all mexicans are illegal, certainly not, but we won't know unless we ask.

Question for the day: If you have 10 people, 5 are in your country legally and 5 are in the country illegally, how do you find the 5 illegal people?
A) assume they are all legal.
B) if you randomly pick one and he is offended that you suggested he could possibly be illegal,(whether illegal or not) you stop trying to determine the 5 illegal ones.
C) ask them all for the proof that the host gov't has issued them to show that they are legal.
D)_____________________________________

A: Local entities should assume all are legal, it is the jurisdiction of the INA to find and deport illegals. If local entities decide to check for credentials then they need to do it to everyone regardless of ethnicity.

Did you realize that every (legal) visitor to the US needs to apply for and present a Visa before they are allowed into the country. Anyone that wants to go to Disneyworld or see Times Square has to book an interview with the US consulate in their country up to six months in advance, pay a large amount of money and fill out dozens of documents. All we are doing is keeping out the people we want visiting our country, not the people who have no right to be here. Lost tourism dollars are in the billions each year and we still have no better sense of security.

I've travled to many foreign countries and did not have to apply for a Visa unless my stay was longer than 30 days. We have to have a better solution to securing points of entry than we have now.

[Wingnut]

quote: "Section 287(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act allows state and local law enforcement agents to investigate, detain and arrest aliens on civil and criminal grounds if the agents have received the proper training.

After the training, local law enforcement will have the ability to deal with illegal aliens. By assuming all are legal doesn't solve the issue of illegal immigration.
You are correct in that we need a better way to secure our ports.
I don't see that allowing mexican trucks into the country with minimal, if any, inspections is going to help secure these United States in any way, shape, or form. If anything, thats what a terrorist would want, a free ride in. And, apparently, thats just what we're trying to give them.