Ken Busby as Debate IMPARTIAL Moderator??

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Some survey published last month said that only nine percent of the people were undecided on this issue.

You think we should only allow people in that nine percent to moderate?

Why don't you give him a chance?

(I bet he doen't use the word "meanies").

I think the questions should be gathered in a fishbowl, where they should remain unread until Wormtail draws it randomly from the bowl to ask the question.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Better find some other issue to get outraged about, F.B.

This one isn't getting any traction.

Who's Outraged?

This kind of Delphi-technique is about par for the course in:

THE BANANA REPUBLIC OF TULSA.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Some survey published last month said that only nine percent of the people were undecided on this issue.

You think we should only allow people in that nine percent to moderate?

Why don't you give him a chance?

(I bet he doen't use the word "meanies").

I think the questions should be gathered in a fishbowl, where they should remain unread until Wormtail draws it randomly from the bowl to ask the question.

That's how it is working. Verbatim.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

This kind of Delphi-technique...

Are you saying that, since some of "Vote no" guys don't agree with you on this one, then somebody must have "gotten to them"?  Someone must have brainwashed, bullied, or otherwise manipulated them?
 
The people here have confidence in the guy's abilities...confidence based on experience; I've seen him do this three or four times.  He speaks clearly, listens, follows and enforces the rules, and keeps things moving along and productive.  It's a tough job; it requires both talent and concentration to do it well.  No doubt he was chosen, once again, because he does the job well.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

This kind of Delphi-technique...

Are you saying that, since some of "Vote no" guys don't agree with you on this one, then somebody must have "gotten to them"?  Someone must have brainwashed, bullied, or otherwise manipulated them?
 
The people here have confidence in the guy's abilities...confidence based on experience; I've seen him do this three or four times.  He speaks clearly, listens, follows and enforces the rules, and keeps things moving along and productive.  It's a tough job; it requires both talent and concentration to do it well.  No doubt he was chosen, once again, because he does the job well.

No doubt?

Well, I for one doubt that someone who has TWO Vote Yes to the Higher Kaiser River Taxes campaign signs in his front yard CAN be impartial.

His bias is palpable.

And, you are defending the indefensible.

Suggest you audition for the Friends of Sinator Larry Craig Fan Club, next.

[8D]

[shadows]

I am sure he will give both parties a chance to present both sides of the question with a fair trial before the NO's are taken out and hanged.  

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

This kind of Delphi-technique...

Are you saying that, since some of "Vote no" guys don't agree with you on this one, then somebody must have "gotten to them"?  Someone must have brainwashed, bullied, or otherwise manipulated them?
 
The people here have confidence in the guy's abilities...confidence based on experience; I've seen him do this three or four times.  He speaks clearly, listens, follows and enforces the rules, and keeps things moving along and productive.  It's a tough job; it requires both talent and concentration to do it well.  No doubt he was chosen, once again, because he does the job well.

No doubt?

Well, I for one doubt that someone who has TWO Vote Yes to the Higher Kaiser River Taxes campaign signs in his front yard CAN be impartial.

His bias is palpable.

And, you are defending the indefensible.

Suggest you audition for the Friends of Sinator Larry Craig Fan Club, next.

[8D]

I'll go pull one out if you;ll drop this whole diatribe.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Some survey published last month said that only nine percent of the people were undecided on this issue.

You think we should only allow people in that nine percent to moderate?

Why don't you give him a chance?

(I bet he doen't use the word "meanies").

I think the questions should be gathered in a fishbowl, where they should remain unread until Wormtail draws it randomly from the bowl to ask the question.

That's how it is working. Verbatim.

No pre-screening by the question gatherers or the moderator? It won't be read by anyone besides the author, until it is pulled randomly from the bowl by the moderator? How will that work with the e-mail questions? Next time Tulsa Now plans a forum like this, it would be cool if people were able to submit youtube questions similar to the youtube presidential debates.

[rwarn17588]

Out of curiosity, I went to dictionary.com, typed in "moderator" and looked at the many definitions.

The relevant results defined a moderator who acts as referee or presider over differing parties.

Do you know how many instances I found in dictionary.com that a moderator should be "impartial" or "unbiased"?

None. Nada.

The moderator is there to keep the discussions or debates on track, interject if the talk gets too heated, and ensure a smooth-running event. Nothing more. There's nothing in the definitions that indicate a moderator should be vacuous in *all* his opinions to be acceptable at the job. It's more of a skill than a state of mind.

I currently am an undecided voter with the river tax. By F.B.'s tortured logic, I would be an ideal moderator. However, I have no background as such.

So I will wisely defer to Mr. Busby's experience and good references and let him be the TulsaNow moderator. [8D]

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

No pre-screening by the question gatherers or the moderator? It won't be read by anyone besides the author, until it is pulled randomly from the bowl by the moderator? How will that work with the e-mail questions? Next time Tulsa Now plans a forum like this, it would be cool if people were able to submit youtube questions similar to the youtube presidential debates.

They are read by others so they can be transcribed onto identical pieces of paper, but not by the moderator or speakers. Youtube would be a good idea.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Out of curiosity, I went to dictionary.com, typed in "moderator" and looked at the many definitions.

The relevant results defined a moderator who acts as referee or presider over differing parties.

Do you know how many instances I found in dictionary.com that a moderator should be "impartial" or "unbiased"?

None. Nada.

The moderator is there to keep the discussions or debates on track, interject if the talk gets too heated, and ensure a smooth-running event. Nothing more. There's nothing in the definitions that indicate a moderator should be vacuous in *all* his opinions to be acceptable at the job. It's more of a skill than a state of mind.

I currently am an undecided voter with the river tax. By F.B.'s tortured logic, I would be an ideal moderator. However, I have no background as such.

So I will wisely defer to Mr. Busby's experience and good references and let him be the TulsaNow moderator. [8D]

We would NOT allow a Referee of any event that has a KNOWN bias serve as a referee.

Period

Like if a Referee had a GG JENKS TROJANS, Beat Broken Arrow sign in his front yard, he's going to be allowed to REFEREE that event???

[Wilbur]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Out of curiosity, I went to dictionary.com, typed in "moderator" and looked at the many definitions.

The relevant results defined a moderator who acts as referee or presider over differing parties.

Do you know how many instances I found in dictionary.com that a moderator should be "impartial" or "unbiased"?

None. Nada.

The moderator is there to keep the discussions or debates on track, interject if the talk gets too heated, and ensure a smooth-running event. Nothing more. There's nothing in the definitions that indicate a moderator should be vacuous in *all* his opinions to be acceptable at the job. It's more of a skill than a state of mind.

I currently am an undecided voter with the river tax. By F.B.'s tortured logic, I would be an ideal moderator. However, I have no background as such.

So I will wisely defer to Mr. Busby's experience and good references and let him be the TulsaNow moderator. [8D]

We would NOT allow a Referee of any event that has a KNOWN bias serve as a referee.

Period

Like if a Referee had a GG JENKS TROJANS, Beat Broken Arrow sign in his front yard, he's going to be allowed to REFEREE that event???

They're playing football at the river tax forum?  Jenks and Broken Arrow?  And Busby is the referee?  Now I'm confused.

[rwarn17588]

Apparently, F.B., you failed to comprehend what I am saying.

Whether Busby is biased is immaterial to his role. He has been enlisted as a moderator for the forum, which is a different than an advocate. He has experience as a moderator to keep a forum lively and on-track. That's all.

If there are a huge number of "no" voters at the river tax forum, that will quickly be apparent, and nothing will change that.

In the bigger picture, virtually all of us have a bias in one way or another because of our ingrained prejudices and/or life experiences. Yet many of these same people can act professionally in their roles and suppress their biases if called upon.

I'm sure there's many an NFL referee who admires Peyton Manning, but wouldn't hesitate to throw a penalty flag if he's moving his head too much behind the center and trying to draw the defense offsides. That's what professional refs -- and professionals -- do.

Mr. Busby is apparently valued as a moderator because of his previous skills in this, not because of his opinions. That's why he was chosen.

A vacuous and unskilled moderator would be disastrous for a forum. It's better to have a skilled one who can at least *act* disinterested, keep the forum running smoothly, and give everyone a fair say.

People who have misgivings against the river tax have discerned this difference between being a moderator and an advocate, and have accepted it.

If you're so concerned about it, stop being so Quixotic about this issue, go to the forum and give your one-cent's worth.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Apparently, F.B., you failed to comprehend what I am saying.

Whether Busby is biased is immaterial to his role. He has been enlisted as a moderator for the forum, which is a different than an advocate. He has experience as a moderator to keep a forum lively and on-track. That's all.

If there are a huge number of "no" voters at the river tax forum, that will quickly be apparent, and nothing will change that.

In the bigger picture, virtually all of us have a bias in one way or another because of our ingrained prejudices and/or life experiences. Yet many of these same people can act professionally in their roles and suppress their biases if called upon.

I'm sure there's many an NFL referee who admires Peyton Manning, but wouldn't hesitate to throw a penalty flag if he's moving his head too much behind the center and trying to draw the defense offsides. That's what professional refs -- and professionals -- do.

Mr. Busby is apparently valued as a moderator because of his previous skills in this, not because of his opinions. That's why he was chosen.

A vacuous and unskilled moderator would be disastrous for a forum. It's better to have a skilled one who can at least *act* disinterested, keep the forum running smoothly, and give everyone a fair say.

People who have misgivings against the river tax have discerned this difference between being a moderator and an advocate, and have accepted it.

If you're so concerned about it, stop being so Quixotic about this issue, go to the forum and give your one-cent's worth.

I understand that you're still Defending the Indefensible.

He disqualified himself as an impartial referee when he planted two OUR RIVER YES campaign signs in his front yard.

Period.

He's not an impartial referee.  He's a partisan and an advocate for the Kaiser River Tax.

And, he was picked as Moderator FOR THAT REASON.

Afterall, the heritage of the TulsaNow organization is the MetroChamberPots, who never met a sales tax they didn't like.

And, when Mr. Busby tries to Delphi the public forum to favor the Vote Yes Cabal, just what is anyone supposed to do about it, as members of the audience??

Hiss??

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


I understand that you're still Defending the Indefensible.

He disqualified himself as an impartial referee when he planted two OUR RIVER YES campaign signs in his front yard.

Period.

He's not an impartial referee.  He's a partisan and an advocate for the Kaiser River Tax.

And, he was picked as Moderator FOR THAT REASON.

Afterall, the heritage of the TulsaNow organization is the MetroChamberPots, who never met a sales tax they didn't like.

And, when Mr. Busby tries to Delphi the public forum to favor the Vote Yes Cabal, just what is anyone supposed to do about it, as members of the audience??

Hiss??

I could wave a stick for a week and not hit a fact in that entire post.