TulsaNow River Forum - Send Us Your Questions!

[PonderInc]

TulsaNow will host a forum on the river proposal next Tues, Sept 18 at the OSU-Tulsa Auditorium.  Doors open at 6:00 pm.  Event starts at 6:30.  

Audience members will get to submit questions to the panelists.  We want to extend that opportunity to everyone on our online forum, as well.  

If you have questions related to the issue (for either the "pro" or the "con" people), please let us know.  You can post them on this thread, or email them to us at info@tulsanow.org.

This will be a terrific chance to hear speakers from BOTH sides of the debate.  Jean Letcher, River Yes campaign director, and Gaylon Pinc, Environmental Manager for PMg will speak in support of the river proposal. City Councilor, John Eagleton, and Colin Tawney will speak in opposition to the plan. Ken Busby, Executive Director of the Arts and Humanities Council of Tulsa will be the moderator.

Thanks for participating, and we'll see you at the forum on Sept 18th!

Sarah Kobos, President, TulsaNow

[TheArtist]

Rumor has it that more questions for the "con" side might be needed. Some are against the plan because of the tax, some because of the dams,...


Some Questions if they are against the tax...

Do you think there should ever be more dams in the river or that the Zink Dam should be improved?

follow up question...

Its been said that river development should be done by the private sector. Do you think that private developers will build dams in our river? And if so, Can you give us some examples where this has been done previously?

If they are not against dams period...

What funding mechanism would you use to pay for any dams?

Many point out that 2025 was paying for the dams. And that there should be enough money collected under the 2025 tax to pay for the extra costs resulting from federal monies not being available, bad cost estimates etc. If this new tax fails, Will you commit to getting those dams funded with the 2025 tax?

Will the dams have to be the same cheaper Zink Lake designs as originally intended? Or will something along the very different and improved designs proposed in this plan be pushed for?

or

The dam designs as envisioned in 2025 were very different than the dam designs envisioned now. Should we do the old dam designs as intended or the new ones?

Would the living river concept be financed under 2025 or would that not be able to be done? How about the larger Sand Springs dam that will enable water to flow more often during the day?

Anywhoo thats a start. Its sci-fi Friday, my shows are starting, have to go. []

 

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by PonderInc

TulsaNow will host a forum on the river proposal next Tues, Sept 18 at the OSU-Tulsa Auditorium.  Doors open at 6:00 pm.  Event starts at 6:30.  

Audience members will get to submit questions to the panelists.  We want to extend that opportunity to everyone on our online forum, as well.  

If you have questions related to the issue (for either the "pro" or the "con" people), please let us know.  You can post them on this thread, or email them to us at info@tulsanow.org.

This will be a terrific chance to hear speakers from BOTH sides of the debate.  Jean Letcher, River Yes campaign director, and Gaylon Pinc, Environmental Manager for PMg will speak in support of the river proposal. City Councilor, John Eagleton, and Colin Tawney will speak in opposition to the plan. Ken Busby, Executive Director of the Arts and Humanities Council of Tulsa will be the moderator.

Thanks for participating, and we'll see you at the forum on Sept 18th!

Sarah Kobos, President, TulsaNow

Okay, here's a VERY basic question:

Mr. Ken Busby, Executive Director of the Arts and Humanities Council of Tulsa, will be the Moderator of next Tuesday's Forum a.k.a. "debate".

If a debate moderator shows overt signs of bias, should he be replaced?

Mr. Busby has TWO Our River Yes campaign signs planted in his south Tulsa yard.....

Isn't this overt BIAS??

[RecycleMichael]

Give it up Bear.

Please don't try to knock every thread off track by conspiracy, paranoia and unfounded personal attacks.

Back on track...

Here is a question that I propose be asked of the vote no duo.

"Every time we come up with a plan to develop the river, people come out and say not now. Why not now, and if not now, when?"

Here is a question for the vote yes couple.

"It all seems so rushed. The arena isn't even done and the county is asking for more money. Why the hurry?"

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Give it up Bear.

Please don't try to knock every thread off track by conspiracy, paranoia and unfounded personal attacks.

Back on track...

Here is a question that I propose be asked of the vote no duo.

"Every time we come up with a plan to develop the river, people come out and say not now. Why not now, and if not now, when?"

Here is a question for the vote yes couple.

"It all seems so rushed. The arena isn't even done and the county is asking for more money. Why the hurry?"

The Vote YES to Higher Kaiser River Taxes yard signs are a fact.

The two signs are firmly implanted in Mr. Busby's front yard in a nice south Tulsa neighborhood.

It's not paranoia.  It may not be a giant conspiracy, but it is part of a large Favors-Trading Clique that trades favors:

"You support my tax increase, and I'll support yours."

And the local citizenry pays for it ALL.

And, Mr. Busby is one of the Favors-Traders.  His livelihood depends on the good graces of the ruling Oligarch Families.

Otherwise, he's toast in a nano-second.


[:O]

[Wrinkle]

Isn't Mr. Busby the guy who received a $60,000 fee from the City of Tulsa/City Council to do the first phase of the Great Plains Airline/TAA/TAIT Investigation?

IIRC, he had to step down due to conflicts of interest then. Not sure if the fee was returned, but never heard so.

UPDATE: Appears this was a "Wilson" Busby, not Ken Busby. Or, are they domestic partners, the one in same, or not affiliated with each other at all?

[Ed W]

Here's a purely hypothetical question - if, say, Collinsville decided to build a series of dams, trails, and pedestrian attractions along Black Jack Creek, stretching from downtown toward the scenic and historical rendering plant, would the pro-river-tax group vote to tax themselves to build Collinsville's park?

Or am I out of my mind?

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

Here's a purely hypothetical question - if, say, Collinsville decided to build a series of dams, trails, and pedestrian attractions along Black Jack Creek, stretching from downtown toward the scenic and historical rendering plant, would the pro-river-tax group vote to tax themselves to build Collinsville's park?

Or am I out of my mind?

Oh sure, Kitty'd be all for it. Remember, if it helps Collinsville, it helps us all. But, she'd have to choose the contractors.

[Wrinkle]

"Did the County propose to construct two low water dams and improve Zink Lake dam in Vision2025 and promise to complete ALL Vision2025 projects even if it required collection overages to do so?"

[Wrinkle]

quote: Its been said that river development should be done by the private sector. Do you think that private developers will build dams in our river? And if so, Can you give us some examples where this has been done previously?

The answer is yes. The existing Zink Lake Dam was built by the private sector.

[Wrinkle]

quote: Will the dams have to be the same cheaper Zink Lake designs as originally intended?  

No intent was specified, just that two dams would be built at the locations determined by INCOG's Arkansas River Corridor Master Plan. The designs were dependent upon these locations and, thus, any design would have been premature.

Now that they have the locations, and now the 'dreams' defined, let V2025 build them.

Or, at least work within a budget. These dams have more than doubled in cost due simply to overachieving.

[Wrinkle]

Another question:

"Zink Lake dam, if constructed in today's dollars would cost about $8 Million. What justification is there for spending almost four times that amount for each of two new dams?"

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Isn't Mr. Busby the guy who received a $60,000 fee from the City of Tulsa/City Council to do the first phase of the Great Plains Airline/TAA/TAIT Investigation?

IIRC, he had to step down due to conflicts of interest then. Not sure if the fee was returned, but never heard so.

UPDATE: Appears this was a "Wilson" Busby, not Ken Busby. Or, are they domestic partners, the one in same, or not affiliated with each other at all?

No relation...no connection between the two at all.

Why would you post such incorrect information? What you did was horribly improper, Wrinkle.

If you don't apologize to all of us on this forum, I will discount your opinion forever. You are no better than a gossip magazine if you don't.

[Wrinkle]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

Isn't Mr. Busby the guy who received a $60,000 fee from the City of Tulsa/City Council to do the first phase of the Great Plains Airline/TAA/TAIT Investigation?

IIRC, he had to step down due to conflicts of interest then. Not sure if the fee was returned, but never heard so.

UPDATE: Appears this was a "Wilson" Busby, not Ken Busby. Or, are they domestic partners, the one in same, or not affiliated with each other at all?

No relation...no connection between the two at all.

Why would you post such incorrect information? What you did was horribly improper, Wrinkle.

If you don't apologize to all of us on this forum, I will discount your opinion forever. You are no better than a gossip magazine if you don't.

The above incident is true. I updated with information regarding the potential of them not being the same Busby and asked for clarification which you have provided. Thanks. I have nothing for which to apologize.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Wrinkle

quote: Its been said that river development should be done by the private sector. Do you think that private developers will build dams in our river? And if so, Can you give us some examples where this has been done previously?

The answer is yes. The existing Zink Lake Dam was built by the private sector.

It was paid for by the private sector in exchange for land owned by the city, so the city still paid for it.