Open Border Senators and Illegals

[kakie]

URGENT!

The U.S. Congress will try to sneak in a few admendments next week in the Defense Bill that will give some illegals rights on par or greater that legal citizens.

From Numbers USA:  During the consideration of the Department of Defense authorization bill (H.R. 1585) next week, open-borders Senators will attempt to attach three proposals that would give amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and dramatically increase the importation of additional foreign labor for American jobs.

For the particulars go to zTruth - there you can read more about it.  If this disturbs you enough, there is a link to easily find the contact information of your Congressional representatives in Washington so you can tell them how you feel.  Thousands of phone calls can make a big difference and can stop actions in Congress - COLD.

Don't you think it's time to stop diluting the value of American Citizens?  Well, if you agree make phones and tell everyone you know.  Get the word out.


http://ztruth.typepad.com/ztruth/2007/09/urgent-from-num.html

[sauerkraut]

Oh yeah- they are heck bent on getting amnesty for illegal aliens one way or another. This does not surprise me one bit. Since they could not pass the amnesty bill they decided to break up the amnesty bill and pass it in smaller amounts, hooked up to other bills. Even if this ploy fails Sooner or latter they will grant the illegals everything. They won't quit till they get what they want...They will keep bring up an amnesty bill after amnesty bill and do what ever they can to cram it thru.. There's alot of info on google about illegal aliens. Here's a web site http://www.illegalaliens.us/

[wenwilwa]

This bill is called the DREAM Act. It is targeted toward children who were illegally brought into the United States by their parents.

In order to be eligible for amnesty, the child would have been brought into the United States before the age of 16 and would have been living in the US for at least five years. He or she would have graduated from high school or have received a GED and would be deemed "of good moral character" by the absence of a criminal record.

The amnesty that is being offered includes legal residence for six years. During that time, the immigrant would be required to graduate from college or serve two years in the military. If he or she completes these requirements and maintains a clean criminal record, he/she would be given a green card. It would remove barriers to receiving in-state tuition, student loans and work study jobs. However, it would not allow them to receive federal grant money for college.

Republicans, Democrats and the Department of Defense are supporting this bill because of the additional recruits that it would provide for the military. As a high school teacher who has been in contact with many of the children who would be eligible for this amnesty, I must also express my support.

The children who will be eligible for amnesty did not choose to come to the United States. They were brought here at a young age and many have been in the United States for so long that they barely remember their home country. They are English-speakers and identify themselves as Americans before any other nationality.

This bill would encourage these children – who illegally reside in the United States despite any personal culpability – to become educated, law-abiding, tax-paying residents. Currently, they are encouraged to be exactly the opposite.

[rwarn17588]

I don't have a problem with this bill, either. These kids are well on their way to being naturalized citizens, anyway.

[sauerkraut]

The bill has no age limets. All the illegal has to do it make the claim. The powers that be want the illegal aliens made legal and they want to bring in more illegals.[xx(]

[rwarn17588]

Guess what. Illegal immigrants become naturalized American citizens if they're here long enough, even without this bill.

This bill additionally rewards illegal immigrants who get an education, keep their noses clean and are obviously making a contribution to society.

Again, I don't have a problem with this. It's apparent you're simply being punitive.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Guess what. Illegal immigrants become naturalized American citizens if they're here long enough, even without this bill.

This bill additionally rewards illegal immigrants who get an education, keep their noses clean and are obviously making a contribution to society.

Again, I don't have a problem with this. It's apparent you're simply being punitive.

The bill is a slap in the face to all the immigrants who came here the legal way. The bill has no enforcement so if a illegal does not do what he is supposed do, nothing will happen to them, if he commits a crime no one will be standing there deporting them, I have a big  problemo with this because they don't belong here- we need to deport every illegal that is found out not reward them. With that bill our nation will go bankrupt, your talking 16-20 million illegals already here and they can bring over their families. If each illegal brings over 4 family members..... do the math.. Every illegal that works cost the taxpayers $2-$3.00 for ever dollar the illegal earns. The illegals that don't work cost us even more. It's a no-win. We need immigrants with skills and education and who can come here and pay their own way and not be a burden to the nation..

[KingMutt]

Here you are again with your BS numbers.....[}:)]

Why don't you emulate the success of some of these Latino business people?

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut


The bill is a slap in the face to all the immigrants who came here the legal way.

Really?  Have you asked them?  Do you personally know any "immigrants who came here the legal way?"

The rest of your post is typical xenophobic activist BS...

When your talking points come straight from the Heritage Foundation playbook, it makes you no better than one of Rush Limbaugh's "ditto-heads"...

While I'm no fan of Dick Durbin, at least he's got enough guts to do something constructive... unlike most other grandstanding do-nothing politcians who are busy raising some serious payola for re-election by posturing on this issue...

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by USRufnex

quote:Originally posted by sauerkraut


The bill is a slap in the face to all the immigrants who came here the legal way.

Really?  Have you asked them?  Do you personally know any "immigrants who came here the legal way?"

The rest of your post is typical xenophobic activist BS...

When your talking points come straight from the Heritage Foundation playbook, it makes you no better than one of Rush Limbaugh's "ditto-heads"...

While I'm no fan of Dick Durbin, at least he's got enough guts to do something constructive... unlike most other grandstanding do-nothing politcians who are busy raising some serious payola for re-election by posturing on this issue...

I know lots of immigrants who came the legal way, much of our nation was built by legal immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants who came the legal way, had to pass medical tests and jump thru all the hoops back in 1913, the first thing they did was to learn English and assimulate into the culture unlike many immigrants of today (legal or illegal) who refuse to learn English. A common language is the only thing that unites a nation, without it we are a divided nation. 100 years ago our nation needed grunt labor workers, today that is not the case, our economy changed into a service economy the grunt labor jobs that unskilled people did in past eras are gone. As for being a slap in the face to all legal immigrants, it sure is the legal people followed the law, and paid the fees and jumped thru all the hoops and we know who they are, the illegal alien who sneaks in with fake I.D. has no medical screening, or background check and then gets amnesty and perks just like the people who did it the legal, why even bother to come here in a legal way? Might as well make the border a open free for all. Let all the worlds poor come here. This is also a security issue. Any nuke that enters this nation will come thru our open borders and some U.S. city risks getting a mushroom cloud as a result of open borders.

[rwarn17588]

Guess what. I knew immigrants who never learned to speak English, either. They were German. They lived in a small settlement close to where I grew up.

In major cities, you'll find Chinatown areas where people never learned to speak English fluently.

In Chicago and St. Louis, I know Serbians and Poles who've never learned to speak but a few words of English.

In New Mexico, you'll find natural-born Americans who never learned to speak much English, mainly because 1) the state is officially bilingual; and 2) it was part of Mexico much longer than it was the United States.

Down in Louisiana, you still have pockets where they speak French primarily.

All immigrants or ethnic groups have a certain segment who can't or won't speak much English, for whatever reason. And it's no big deal. They -- and we as a country -- get by just fine.

But studies have shown that their kids learn to speak English fairly well. And their kids' kids completely assimilate into American society. Assimilation will happen; it's inexorable.

You can go ahead and use that red herring of language, sauerkraut. But it will continue to show you are ignorant of facts and history.

It's especially hypocritical when you can't even spell "assimilate" properly. Learn your own mother tongue if you're going to criticize others for not learning ours.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Guess what. I knew immigrants who never learned to speak English, either. They were German. They lived in a small settlement close to where I grew up.

In major cities, you'll find Chinatown areas where people never learned to speak English fluently.

In Chicago and St. Louis, I know Serbians and Poles who've never learned to speak but a few words of English.

In New Mexico, you'll find natural-born Americans who never learned to speak much English, mainly because 1) the state is officially bilingual; and 2) it was part of Mexico much longer than it was the United States.

Down in Louisiana, you still have pockets where they speak French primarily.

All immigrants or ethnic groups have a certain segment who can't or won't speak much English, for whatever reason. And it's no big deal. They -- and we as a country -- get by just fine.

But studies have shown that their kids learn to speak English fairly well. And their kids' kids completely assimilate into American society. Assimilation will happen; it's inexorable.

You can go ahead and use that red herring of language, sauerkraut. But it will continue to show you are ignorant of facts and history.

It's especially hypocritical when you can't even spell "assimilate" properly. Learn your own mother tongue if you're going to criticize others for not learning ours.

Guess What? one group came the LEGAL WAY and the other group did not. What part of the word "illegal" don't ya understand. A nation has to have secure borders to be strong, our national security is on the line to. There are legal ways to come here. The people who hire illegal aliens should be jailed and their prop. seized... If a builder's illegal work force built a housing development the gov't should seize that development and sell it at auction and jail the builder. They seize the boats, cars and bank accounts of drug dealers who get illegal gains. A few tuff laws like that enforced will end the practice of hiring illegals for const. sites. it won't be worth the risk to hire illegals. As for the language thing, yes, it divides our nation in small pockets of people shut off from the rest of the country. Look at Canada- it's a divided country. A common language unites a nation.

[rwarn17588]

<sauerkraut wrote:

Look at Canada- it's a divided country.

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Compared to what? Quebec is a province, just like the other provinces. Sorta like, you know, STATES.

Last I checked, Canada is still *one* country, that's peaceful and stable. It sure as hell doesn't resemble Iraq.

Our language does not unite us as a nation. Our system of government and freedoms do. The language being spoken is incidental, and never was harped upon by the founding fathers.

And you didn't read my post too carefully. Not all of the non-English-speaking people "came here." Some of them were already here when the United States acquired the territory.

Sorta like the Indians when Oklahoma Territory became a U.S. state. Which brings up an interesting question:

You gonna force the Indian tribes here to speak English only -- AGAIN? That's going to go over well.

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

<sauerkraut wrote:

Look at Canada- it's a divided country.

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Compared to what? Quebec is a province, just like the other provinces. Sorta like, you know, STATES.

Last I checked, Canada is still *one* country, that's peaceful and stable. It sure as hell doesn't resemble Iraq.

Our language does not unite us as a nation. Our system of government and freedoms do. The language being spoken is incidental, and never was harped upon by the founding fathers.

And you didn't read my post too carefully. Not all of the non-English-speaking people "came here." Some of them were already here when the United States acquired the territory.

Sorta like the Indians when Oklahoma Territory became a U.S. state. Which brings up an interesting question:

You gonna force the Indian tribes here to speak English only -- AGAIN? That's going to go over well.

I don't think you understood what I said or, I said it poorly. Canada is divided by language. In Quebec you have to know French to get around, all signs are in French, everyone in Quebec speaks French and they have tryed to break away and form another nation. In fact I think every 10 years they vote on if Quebec wants to stay as part of canada or not. As for the USA it's fine if you speak other languages, in most other countries the people offten speak 2 or 3 languages, but they also speak the native language of that country. (I wish I could speak other languages). What I was talking about is immigrants who come here and refuse to learn English, they become divided and cut off from the rest of the country and live locked in their own little neighborhoods. They doom themselfs to working low-pay dead end jobs and will never advance up the ladder to the great American dream. If everyone spoke a different language you could not have a country, you could not carry on any business, the country would be mish-mash of languages. A single language unites a country it's the only thing that binds people of different cultures who live in the same country together.or so it seems to me.[]

[rwarn17588]

<sauerkraut wrote about immigrants not being well-versed in the local language:

They doom themselfs to working low-pay dead end jobs and will never advance up the ladder to the great American dream.

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"Themselfs"?

Oh, irony.

[}:)]