Why are Church Leaders silent on the River Tax?

[RecycleMichael]

Medlock and Mautino went through a recall process because many people thought they were not doing a good job.

I thought it was stupid to have a recall when terms are only two years and no crime had been committed.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Medlock and Mautino went through a recall process because many people thought they were not doing a good job.

I thought it was stupid to have a recall when terms are only two years and no crime had been committed.

For once, I totally agree with something you've said.  

I too thought a Recall was wrong and stupid  when NO CRIME or ETHICAL infraction had been committed.  OR even charged.

By the way, RecycleMichael, on my earlier query, if your volunteer group is completely innocent, which CITY crews go into peoples YARDS to remove NO RIVER TAX campaign signs?

City Sign Ordinance Gestapo, or Public Werkes Gestapo?

Or both?

Or, maybe the TPD is arresting those yard signs, for the $5.00 Reward?

COME OUT OF THAT YARD WITH YOUR STICK-UP??

[cannon_fodder]

Thank you for your response RM.

You have no argument Bear.  In fact, half of what you say makes no sense now that his position/actions have been clarified.  Oh well, continue on...

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Thank you for your response RM.

You have no argument Bear.  In fact, half of what you say makes no sense now that his position/actions have been clarified.  Oh well, continue on...

You need to closely examine RM's responses for clever parsing of response.

He said his volunteers did not go into yards.

Define yard.

Also, he did not say the city work crews or sign enforcement personnel did not vacumn Campaign Signs from residential yards (the ubiquitous 12' limit).

And, those REALTOR signs within 12' of the curbline are illegal, aren't they???

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[RecycleMichael]

I give up Bear.

We have not targeted your signs. I have no idea who took the signs that you say are gone from south Tulsa.

The city crews do not work for me. I have no idea where they work each day.

There are many illegal signs that our group does not target including real estate signs found in residential yards. Every Shell station and Sonic restaurant also have installed signs without permits as well as most convenience stores using banners promoting sales on cans of beer. Most of the bus benches you see are also illegally placed and not permitted. We realize the limits of what volunteers can do.

Our group of volunteers have spent time learning the rules and are very sure of the right-of-way before we pick-up signs.

There is nothing you can say that will deter us from our work. We purposely chose to work with the permit section, city council and Mayor's office as volunteers helping keep our city clean.

We will continue our work long after this next election is over.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I give up Bear.

We have not targeted your signs. I have no idea who took the signs that you say are gone from south Tulsa.

The city crews do not work for me. I have no idea where they work each day.

There are many illegal signs that our group does not target including real estate signs found in residential yards. Every Shell station and Sonic restaurant also have installed signs without permits as well as most convenience stores using banners promoting sales on cans of beer. Most of the bus benches you see are also illegally placed and not permitted. We realize the limits of what volunteers can do.

Our group of volunteers have spent time learning the rules and are very sure of the right-of-way before we pick-up signs.

There is nothing you can say that will deter us from our work. We purposely chose to work with the permit section, city council and Mayor's office as volunteers helping keep our city clean.

We will continue our work long after this next election is over.

What about realtor signs illegally placed in the right of ways?

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

I give up Bear.

We have not targeted your signs. I have no idea who took the signs that you say are gone from south Tulsa.

The city crews do not work for me. I have no idea where they work each day.

There are many illegal signs that our group does not target including real estate signs found in residential yards. Every Shell station and Sonic restaurant also have installed signs without permits as well as most convenience stores using banners promoting sales on cans of beer. Most of the bus benches you see are also illegally placed and not permitted. We realize the limits of what volunteers can do.

Our group of volunteers have spent time learning the rules and are very sure of the right-of-way before we pick-up signs.

There is nothing you can say that will deter us from our work. We purposely chose to work with the permit section, city council and Mayor's office as volunteers helping keep our city clean.

We will continue our work long after this next election is over.

And, continue to do your most useful work for the ruling power establishment the 60 days before any Tax-related election:

VACUMNING VOTE NO CAMPAIGN SIGNS.

[}:)]

[Rico]

Bear..........You need to calm down just a bit....

Just like they won't let the opposing voice in the City Council rant and rave.... It doesn't make a lot of sense here either...

Credibility becomes an issue... Tulsa's Tax Vampires a.k.a.(those that have made City Government an economic engine for a percentage of Tulsa's creme de la creme) will only be dealt with by a cool head and a calm hand...

Metro Mikey is working you Bear...

So let's just sing a Spanish Battle Hymn and let go of the snake handlers... Jimmy Swaggert Look alikes....and Conchita Alvarez models looking to help the Bust Stop support Tulsa for one more year.  Look to the sun in the Western sky and wonder is that


Pee Wee Herman or Ken Yazzel wanting the playground in the park down by the River.........?

[}:)]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Rico

Bear..........You need to calm down just a bit....

Just like they won't let the opposing voice in the City Council rant and rave.... It doesn't make a lot of sense here either...

Credibility becomes an issue... Tulsa's Tax Vampires a.k.a.(those that have made City Government an economic engine for a percentage of Tulsa's creme de la creme) will only be dealt with by a cool head and a calm hand...

Metro Mikey is working you Bear...

So let's just sing a Spanish Battle Hymn and let go of the snake handlers... Jimmy Swaggert Look alikes....and Conchita Alvarez models looking to help the Bust Stop support Tulsa for one more year.  Look to the sun in the Western sky and wonder is that


Pee Wee Herman or Ken Yazzel wanting the playground in the park down by the River.........?

[}:)]

Rico:  

THANK YOU for the Warning, but the Bear is in no danger of being baited.

In fact, Oklahoma Animal Cruelty Laws forbid the practice of Bear-Baiting.

Bear-Baiting is highly illegal in Oklahoma.

RM would NEVER do anything Illegal.

Coincidentally, did I mention my NO RIVER TAX Campaign Yard sign was missing this morning??

And I had that sucker a full 13' feet inside my residential yard curbline.

Measured it twice.

And, regarding the Tax Vampires, the old Tried-and-True remedy for Vampires:  

The sharpened wooden stake.  Along with a cool head and a calm hand....

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[cannon_fodder]

He has stated that he DOES NOT TAKE SIGNS OUT OF YARDS, when I specifically asked him about the definition of YARD to include easements he replied "Our group does not go into residential yards to remove signs. We are completely a volunteer group who gets together and cleans commercial corridors."

That seems very clear to me.

and I thought you were in "Ramadi, Stay the Course
Iraq?"

Tell me where you live and I will do my best to personally get a Vote No sign and place it where ever you please in your hard then share a beer with you.  You can then set up a web cam and catch RM steeling your sign.

So where in this fine fair city do you live Cuddly Bear?

[RecycleMichael]

If you were really opinionated, you would have TWO signs.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

If you were really opinionated, you would have TWO signs.

I have four NO signs.  Two to neutralize Mr. Busby, two to get two more votes against. [)]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

He has stated that he DOES NOT TAKE SIGNS OUT OF YARDS, when I specifically asked him about the definition of YARD to include easements he replied "Our group does not go into residential yards to remove signs. We are completely a volunteer group who gets together and cleans commercial corridors."

That seems very clear to me.

and I thought you were in "Ramadi, Stay the Course
Iraq?"

Tell me where you live and I will do my best to personally get a Vote No sign and place it where ever you please in your hard then share a beer with you.  You can then set up a web cam and catch RM steeling your sign.

So where in this fine fair city do you live Cuddly Bear?

Yard has not been defined.

I have an idea of what a yard is.  Cannon may have an idea what HIS yard is.

The Sign Gestapo I think have their own definition.

For instance, on south Harvard between 71st and 81st Streets, the "yards" stretch from the homes right to and directly touch Harvard.  

There are no curbs.

The residents think those are their yards.  Actually, part of what they are mowing and raking and watering is the city right of way.

At least for discussion purposes, the arbitrarily established last "12 feet from curbline" city right of way.

So, TECHNICALLY, a City Sign Bandit coming onto a "yard" is actually coming onto the city Right of Way to remove the sign.

The city can do about anything temporary that they want on their right of way.  They think they can remove signs from their right-of-way.

INCLUDING YOUR YARD.

They can also dig up the yard for new drainage or water lines.

They can pave it.

They can pile rocks or road material on it temporarily, meaning months.

And, they don't have to mow it or water it.

To add more fog and cloud up the issue of the City Sign Bandits, there are at least 3 distinct groups vacumning Vote NO signs.

1. RecycleMichael's volunteer organization, who when deployed during the 60 days prior to an election to vacumn Vote NO signs is a strategic campaign ploy to deny free speech to the Vote NO side, under the pretext of city beautification.  The remainder of the year they pick up commercial signage, and maybe a few handfuls of litter.

2.  Publik Werkes Department, who repeatedly vacumn signs, including those in neighborhoods, not JUST along the city medians.  Under orders of Mr. Charles Hardt, the man who made our streets what they are today.

3.  The Sign Inspection unit, who Councilor Martinet made sure was re-staffed and a budget re-created to staff formerly vacant positions for a hiberating city unit.

And, in all likelihood, in my estimation, there are anonymous people being recompensed by the Vote YES organization to pick up every Vote NO sign they see.  The Midnite to 6 a.m. creeps.  For an acknowledged sign bounty.

[swake]

Most of the signs I see that are "no" are in rights of way, most of the "yes" signs are in yards.  

And this yard stealing complaint makes no sense, why would someone from the yes campaign steal the signs out of yards and leave the ones all over town in the rights of way, where people actually see them?

Stealing a sign from someone's yard is a indication of anger and/or desperation. And all the anger and emotion on this issue that I have seen is on the "no" side of the fence.



I think some people may be fibbing....

[cannon_fodder]

Are you even reading the posts, specifically:

quote:Just to clarify RM... when you say "never picked up signs our of a person's yard" do you mean out of any portion of what would commonly be referred to as a yard or specifically "non-easement" part of the yard?

If I had a sign 5 feet from the curb and my easement runs in 12, I would have a real problem with someone entering my property to remove that sign. No matter what it said.

to which RM replied:

quote:Our group does not go into residential yards to remove signs. We are completely a volunteer group who gets together and cleans commercial corridors.

NO matter what you try to do, that's pretty clear.  Furthermore, the cities easement or right of way unto my property is still commonly referred to as my yard.  Their use of it is limited - they can not store whatever they want there as long as they desire (only certain circumstances).

That's clear.

One more time:

quote:Just to clarify RM... when you say "never picked up signs our of a person's yard" do you mean out of any portion of what would commonly be referred to as a yard or specifically "non-easement" part of the yard?

If I had a sign 5 feet from the curb and my easement runs in 12, I would have a real problem with someone entering my property to remove that sign. No matter what it said.

to which RM replied:

Our group does not go into residential yards to remove signs. We are completely a volunteer group who gets together and cleans commercial corridors.

So either RM is lying or he is not, certainly he is being clear.

Still waiting for your invite to replace your sign.