OSU med residency- code blue

[jne]

New hope with Cargil out?

[TulsaSooner]

Toldja osu sucks.

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[Conan71]

Sounds like something good or more stable is getting ready to happen at OSU med.  Their M & E department called the other day and needed an immediate update on a capital improvement proposal which has been in limbo for the better part of three years.

[cannon_fodder]

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

"OD"? Are you referring to osteopathic physicians? D.O.? By the way, what "hard time" are you referring to? The people that I know that went to med school there are not having any "hard time."

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

I think most of us know that you meant D.O.  - O.D. is an optometrist

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

I think most of us know that you meant D.O.  - O.D. is an opthalmologist

Nope, O.D. is an optomotrist.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

I think most of us know that you meant D.O.  - O.D. is an opthalmologist

JNE- is that the dancing baby from Ally McBeal?

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

Cannon, this pre-dates you in Tulsa, but there was a time in Tulsa when D.O.'s were pretty much segregated from the M.D. community.  The OSU hospital used to be called "Oklahoma Osteopathic Hospital".

Now they are working in the same clinics along with MD's, PA's, and NP's and so far as I know can have priveledges at any of the other area hospitals.

[cannon_fodder]

I meant D.O., sorry.

And I was implying that DO's do not get the same respect MDs do and are frequently looked down upon by Mds.  Now that their earnings are hurting in any way.  But, as I understand it, the bennefit of DO is the more extensive hands on approach - which could be lost if they don't have a hospital.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

Cannon, this pre-dates you in Tulsa, but there was a time in Tulsa when D.O.'s were pretty much segregated from the M.D. community.  The OSU hospital used to be called "Oklahoma Osteopathic Hospital".

Now they are working in the same clinics along with MD's, PA's, and NP's and so far as I know can have priveledges at any of the other area hospitals.

Conan is absolutely correct. Whatever stigma that once was attached to being a D.O. in the past has markedly eroded both within the medical profession and with the public in general.

[cannon_fodder]

Well, not according to the MDs I talk to who openly snub their noses at the mention of DO.  I'm not talking about kids my age, but family members and family friends who are of the age that they are running hospitals.  This number includes several MDs at the very top of local hospitals.

I'm not saying it effects their hiring or treatment, I never asked.  But there is still a some animosity towards DOs for sure.  Not that I care as my basis for the understanding of what each actually learns is just what I've "heard."

That aside, from what I know about DOs losing the practical element of the education would be nearly fatal.

[Conan71]

What do you call an MD who graduates at the bottom of his class?  Doctor. []

I'm sure there are M.D.'s who feel their degree is superior to a D.O.  I have to admit, I still have a paradigm about DO's not being equal, though I can't give you any specific reason, it's just ingrained in me from the old "medical segregation" days. []

Many of the family medicine groups sponsored by hospitals are allowing DO's, PA's NP's, and MD's to practice shoulder-to-shoulder.

They do have rounds in the hospitals as well.  When I was hospitalized for the chest pain incident a couple of years ago at SJMC (turned out to be GIRD) I was seen by a DO on rounds once I had been moved to a room.

None of that would have happened 20 years ago.  There will always be a snobbery between MD and DO, but there's been more respect given to DO's in the last 20 years, at least in the Tulsa medical community.

Also of note, these days there's also much more referral going on between MD's and chiropractors, including neurologists and spine specialists.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

Well, not according to the MDs I talk to who openly snub their noses at the mention of DO.  I'm not talking about kids my age, but family members and family friends who are of the age that they are running hospitals.  This number includes several MDs at the very top of local hospitals.

I'm not saying it effects their hiring or treatment, I never asked.  But there is still a some animosity towards DOs for sure.  Not that I care as my basis for the understanding of what each actually learns is just what I've "heard."

That aside, from what I know about DOs losing the practical element of the education would be nearly fatal.

I certainly cannot dispute the information you have. Let's just say the information I have about D.O. vs. M.D. and any pervasive stigma/animosity thereto, and the general experiences at OSU-COM are from a personal level. I think the hospital is an integral part of the medical school experience, but it is only a "part." To be honest, my real concern about losing the hospital is the affect it will have on the delivery of health care to those in need.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

Cannon, this pre-dates you in Tulsa, but there was a time in Tulsa when D.O.'s were pretty much segregated from the M.D. community.  The OSU hospital used to be called "Oklahoma Osteopathic Hospital".

Now they are working in the same clinics along with MD's, PA's, and NP's and so far as I know can have priveledges at any of the other area hospitals.

Conan is absolutely correct. Whatever stigma that once was attached to being a D.O. in the past has markedly eroded both within the medical profession and with the public in general.

it all depends on where they did their residency and if they are board certified or not.

if they are not board certified by the ACTUAL governing medical body (i.e. AAFP, AAP, ABPS) for their specialty, stay away... and watch out for bogus abbreviations that appear to be the board but are some knock-off... DOs can only sit for the actual governing boards if they go to an ACGME accredited residency... if they went to residency at an osteopathic training program, i'd be highly suspect...

they do not have more hands-on experience...
and the fact remains, the admisson criteria for do med schools are lower than those of md programs.