OSU med residency- code blue

[sgrizzle]

I'm a big DO fan. Just because MD's snub their nose doesn't mean anything. East coast people snub their nose at okies too and we know they aren't any better.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

I think most of us know that you meant D.O.  - O.D. is an opthalmologist

Nope, O.D. is an optomotrist.

LOL -- whoops that's what I meant.  I made the distinction correctly in my head as I typed diferrently.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

Cannon, this pre-dates you in Tulsa, but there was a time in Tulsa when D.O.'s were pretty much segregated from the M.D. community.  The OSU hospital used to be called "Oklahoma Osteopathic Hospital".

Now they are working in the same clinics along with MD's, PA's, and NP's and so far as I know can have priveledges at any of the other area hospitals.

Conan is absolutely correct. Whatever stigma that once was attached to being a D.O. in the past has markedly eroded both within the medical profession and with the public in general.

it all depends on where they did their residency and if they are board certified or not.

if they are not board certified by the ACTUAL governing medical body (i.e. AAFP, AAP, ABPS) for their specialty, stay away... and watch out for bogus abbreviations that appear to be the board but are some knock-off... DOs can only sit for the actual governing boards if they go to an ACGME accredited residency... if they went to residency at an osteopathic training program, i'd be highly suspect...

they do not have more hands-on experience...
and the fact remains, the admisson criteria for do med schools are lower than those of md programs.

The MD vs. DO rivalry runs deep and is on both sides.  DO's had to fight hard for a long time to get the respect they have now.  
Wouldn't DO's technically have more 'hands-on' experience considering OMT?  The philosophy is supposed to be about 'hands-on' medicine.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

I think most of us know that you meant D.O.  - O.D. is an opthalmologist

JNE- is that the dancing baby from Ally McBeal?

Prefiero decir Baby Cha-Cha.
Yes it is, however, I didn't come across it until its internet fame:)

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

Cannon, this pre-dates you in Tulsa, but there was a time in Tulsa when D.O.'s were pretty much segregated from the M.D. community.  The OSU hospital used to be called "Oklahoma Osteopathic Hospital".

Now they are working in the same clinics along with MD's, PA's, and NP's and so far as I know can have priveledges at any of the other area hospitals.

Conan is absolutely correct. Whatever stigma that once was attached to being a D.O. in the past has markedly eroded both within the medical profession and with the public in general.

it all depends on where they did their residency and if they are board certified or not.

if they are not board certified by the ACTUAL governing medical body (i.e. AAFP, AAP, ABPS) for their specialty, stay away... and watch out for bogus abbreviations that appear to be the board but are some knock-off... DOs can only sit for the actual governing boards if they go to an ACGME accredited residency... if they went to residency at an osteopathic training program, i'd be highly suspect...

they do not have more hands-on experience...
and the fact remains, the admisson criteria for do med schools are lower than those of md programs.

Considering a field of about 1200 applicants got culled down to 90 with the current class at OSU, I'd say that's pretty tough entrance requirements.  They still require an excellent MCAT along with exceptional undergrad GPA.

Hey, I'm not pimping for either DO or MD, just saying an idiot can't get admitted to OSU's medical program any easier than they can OU's, nor are DO programs soley filled with MD program rejects.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

Cannon, this pre-dates you in Tulsa, but there was a time in Tulsa when D.O.'s were pretty much segregated from the M.D. community.  The OSU hospital used to be called "Oklahoma Osteopathic Hospital".

Now they are working in the same clinics along with MD's, PA's, and NP's and so far as I know can have priveledges at any of the other area hospitals.

Conan is absolutely correct. Whatever stigma that once was attached to being a D.O. in the past has markedly eroded both within the medical profession and with the public in general.

it all depends on where they did their residency and if they are board certified or not.

if they are not board certified by the ACTUAL governing medical body (i.e. AAFP, AAP, ABPS) for their specialty, stay away... and watch out for bogus abbreviations that appear to be the board but are some knock-off... DOs can only sit for the actual governing boards if they go to an ACGME accredited residency... if they went to residency at an osteopathic training program, i'd be highly suspect...

they do not have more hands-on experience...
and the fact remains, the admisson criteria for do med schools are lower than those of md programs.

Considering a field of about 1200 applicants got culled down to 90 with the current class at OSU, I'd say that's pretty tough entrance requirements.  They still require an excellent MCAT along with exceptional undergrad GPA.

Hey, I'm not pimping for either DO or MD, just saying an idiot can't get admitted to OSU's medical program any easier than they can OU's, nor are DO programs soley filled with MD program rejects.

Agreed, except that an idiot can't get admitted.
I know more idiot MD's and student MD's than I know idiot DO's, but thats just because the MD's are more prevelant.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

Cannon, this pre-dates you in Tulsa, but there was a time in Tulsa when D.O.'s were pretty much segregated from the M.D. community.  The OSU hospital used to be called "Oklahoma Osteopathic Hospital".

Now they are working in the same clinics along with MD's, PA's, and NP's and so far as I know can have priveledges at any of the other area hospitals.

Conan is absolutely correct. Whatever stigma that once was attached to being a D.O. in the past has markedly eroded both within the medical profession and with the public in general.

it all depends on where they did their residency and if they are board certified or not.

if they are not board certified by the ACTUAL governing medical body (i.e. AAFP, AAP, ABPS) for their specialty, stay away... and watch out for bogus abbreviations that appear to be the board but are some knock-off... DOs can only sit for the actual governing boards if they go to an ACGME accredited residency... if they went to residency at an osteopathic training program, i'd be highly suspect...

they do not have more hands-on experience...
and the fact remains, the admisson criteria for do med schools are lower than those of md programs.

The MD vs. DO rivalry runs deep and is on both sides.  DO's had to fight hard for a long time to get the respect they have now.  
Wouldn't DO's technically have more 'hands-on' experience considering OMT?  The philosophy is supposed to be about 'hands-on' medicine.

omt? for back pain? sure, go nuts... for my asthma or diabetes or allergies or ear infection or any other illness? no thanks... it simly has no other proven medical benefit... and cranial therapy? that is completely wacko...

[RecycleMichael]

2,000 years of medicine...

We used to eat roots for wellness. Then we prayed for health. Then we did blood-letting. Then we took a pill.

Now we are back to eating roots. Prayer is around the corner and blood-letting not far behind.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by cannon_fodder

I hope so.  OD's have a hard enough time as it is.  Couple that with the OU dominant medical community in Tulsa and an OSU-OD will have real troubles.  Then throw in the fact that the entire point of OD is to be knowledgeable about many faucets of the patient (read: nearly impossible without actual patients to look at) and the OD school is in serious trouble sans hospital.

Cannon, this pre-dates you in Tulsa, but there was a time in Tulsa when D.O.'s were pretty much segregated from the M.D. community.  The OSU hospital used to be called "Oklahoma Osteopathic Hospital".

Now they are working in the same clinics along with MD's, PA's, and NP's and so far as I know can have priveledges at any of the other area hospitals.

Conan is absolutely correct. Whatever stigma that once was attached to being a D.O. in the past has markedly eroded both within the medical profession and with the public in general.

it all depends on where they did their residency and if they are board certified or not.

if they are not board certified by the ACTUAL governing medical body (i.e. AAFP, AAP, ABPS) for their specialty, stay away... and watch out for bogus abbreviations that appear to be the board but are some knock-off... DOs can only sit for the actual governing boards if they go to an ACGME accredited residency... if they went to residency at an osteopathic training program, i'd be highly suspect...

they do not have more hands-on experience...
and the fact remains, the admisson criteria for do med schools are lower than those of md programs.

Considering a field of about 1200 applicants got culled down to 90 with the current class at OSU, I'd say that's pretty tough entrance requirements.  They still require an excellent MCAT along with exceptional undergrad GPA.

Hey, I'm not pimping for either DO or MD, just saying an idiot can't get admitted to OSU's medical program any easier than they can OU's, nor are DO programs soley filled with MD program rejects.

except, that the minimum mcat scores and   gpa required for admission ARE lower.

i knew several people in college who were "pre-med" but if they did not have the gpa or mcat score, they'd apply to osu and then maybe dental school...

http://www.chirobase.org/03Edu/adm.html

i mean after all, who would not want to be a part of this foundation:

Andrew Taylor Still, MD (1828-1917) originally expressed the principles of osteopathy in 1874, when medical science was in its infancy. A medical doctor, Still believed that diseases were caused by mechanical interference with nerve and blood supply and were curable by manipulation of "deranged, displaced bones, nerves, muscles—removing all obstructions—thereby setting the machinery of life moving." His autobiography states that he could "shake a child and stop scarlet fever, croup, diphtheria, and cure whooping cough in three days by a wring of its neck."

this is my favorite chapter-
still's autobiography

but more importantly, as with MDs, there are both good and bad DOs... but if any physician is not board certified by their specialty's governing body, it means one of two things that A) they either did not go to an accredited residency training program for their specialty or B)went there and could not pass their boards... any practitioner in this category should be considered highly suspect...

[guido911]

Bruno wrote "I mean after all, who would not want to be a part of this foundation..."

I know lots of D.O.s who are proud of the work they do--even though they might not measure up to your standards.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Bruno wrote "I mean after all, who would not want to be a part of this foundation..."

I know lots of D.O.s who are proud of the work they do--even though they might not measure up to your standards.

i already stated that i believe there are plenty of DOs out there who are great docs...

the reference was meant as an historical anecdote... and highlight the fact that OMT is questionable in its origins and not scientifically proven... it was not meant to be offensive... i have MDs in my family and i get a little pissed every time i hear someone talk about how DOs "treat the whole person", as if MDs dont... that sort of crap is ****ing ludicrous and has been put out there as propaganda by the AOA...

your right, i have high standards when it comes to me and my family's medical care, i want the smartest doctor with the best credentials available and i dont care if they are an MD or a DO... the type of doctor does not matter nearly as much as their board certification status, residency training and clinical experience...

a doctor (DO or MD) has to be boarded by one of these boards to guarantee they meet a set minimum criteria for training and expertise in their field and required continuing education and recertification... if it is not one of these boards, they are not worth seeing... just ask kanye's mom...

[Conan71]

They have to be boarded?  Is that like sending a doctor to the kennel?

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Bruno wrote "I mean after all, who would not want to be a part of this foundation..."

I know lots of D.O.s who are proud of the work they do--even though they might not measure up to your standards.

i already stated that i believe there are plenty of DOs out there who are great docs...

the reference was meant as an historical anecdote... and highlight the fact that OMT is questionable in its origins and not scientifically proven... it was not meant to be offensive... i have MDs in my family and i get a little pissed every time i hear someone talk about how DOs "treat the whole person", as if MDs dont... that sort of crap is ****ing ludicrous and has been put out there as propaganda by the AOA...

your right, i have high standards when it comes to me and my family's medical care, i want the smartest doctor with the best credentials available and i dont care if they are an MD or a DO... the type of doctor does not matter nearly as much as their board certification status, residency training and clinical experience...

a doctor (DO or MD) has to be boarded by one of these boards to guarantee they meet a set minimum criteria for training and expertise in their field and required continuing education and recertification... if it is not one of these boards, they are not worth seeing... just ask kanye's mom...

I pretty well agree with that.
As far the OMT goes - A LOT of practical medicine is not scientifically proven.

[Conan71]

No, and I don't believe throwing a pill at every ailment is always the best solution.

[guido911]

Bruno wrote: "I already stated that i believe there are plenty of DOs out there who are great docs..."

I must have missed that statement in this thread. Where before the previous post did you state you "believe plenty of DOs out there who are great docs." All I was picking up was snide comments about D.O. training, how comparatively D.O.s were not as intelligent as M.D.s, and your personal opinions as to the usefulness of OMT.