OSU med residency- code blue

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Bruno wrote: "I already stated that i believe there are plenty of DOs out there who are great docs..."

I must have missed that statement in this thread. Where before the previous post did you state you "believe plenty of DOs out there who are great docs." All I was picking up was snide comments about D.O. training, how comparatively D.O.s were not as intelligent as M.D.s, and your personal opinions as to the usefulness of OMT.

go back and read the posts again... i clearly state, it all depends on where they did their training and if they are boarded... i also stated that there are good and bad docs of either variety and the most important factor was their board certification...

i never said they were not as intelligent, i showed you that they have lower avg GPAs and mcat scores- you correlated that with intelligence...

the fact that there has never been a randomized, double blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial that demonstrated the efficacy of OMT is a little more than my personal opinion...

[guido911]

Whatever Bruno.

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Bruno wrote: "I already stated that i believe there are plenty of DOs out there who are great docs..."

I must have missed that statement in this thread. Where before the previous post did you state you "believe plenty of DOs out there who are great docs." All I was picking up was snide comments about D.O. training, how comparatively D.O.s were not as intelligent as M.D.s, and your personal opinions as to the usefulness of OMT.

go back and read the posts again... i clearly state, it all depends on where they did their training and if they are boarded... i also stated that there are good and bad docs of either variety and the most important factor was their board certification...

i never said they were not as intelligent, i showed you that they have lower avg GPAs and mcat scores- you correlated that with intelligence...

the fact that there has never been a randomized, double blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial that demonstrated the efficacy of OMT is a little more than my personal opinion...

Bruno, I hear estimates everywhere from 5% percent to 50% of medical practice to actually be evidence-based.  And these days, most of the clinical research is highly biased.  Who would have any stock in funding or supporting the findings of research that proves the efficacy of something you can't reap huge profits on?

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Bruno wrote: "I already stated that i believe there are plenty of DOs out there who are great docs..."

I must have missed that statement in this thread. Where before the previous post did you state you "believe plenty of DOs out there who are great docs." All I was picking up was snide comments about D.O. training, how comparatively D.O.s were not as intelligent as M.D.s, and your personal opinions as to the usefulness of OMT.

go back and read the posts again... i clearly state, it all depends on where they did their training and if they are boarded... i also stated that there are good and bad docs of either variety and the most important factor was their board certification...

i never said they were not as intelligent, i showed you that they have lower avg GPAs and mcat scores- you correlated that with intelligence...

the fact that there has never been a randomized, double blinded, placebo controlled clinical trial that demonstrated the efficacy of OMT is a little more than my personal opinion...

Bruno, I hear estimates everywhere from 5% percent to 50% of medical practice to actually be evidence-based.  And these days, most of the clinical research is highly biased.  Who would have any stock in funding or supporting the findings of research that proves the efficacy of something you can't reap huge profits on?

i would think that practitioners of omt (especially DO academia) would have a vested interest in proving the efficacy of omt as an alternative therapy...

the interesting thing about omt and omm is that the studies i've seen reveal that about only 5% of practicing DO physicians continue to use these techniques...

omt and omm are controversial to say the least...

most of those low "evidence based medicine" numbers occur when any medication is used in off-label manner... simply because a drug is not approved by the fda for a particular patient does not mean that there is not good data that supports the use of the drug for that indication...

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Whatever Bruno.

that, is a great retort...

for the past 20 years, the differences in the education of MDs and DOs have almost been eliminated... omt/omm is really the only difference and most DOs dont even use it in practice...

the MD/DO bias is historical (or should be at this point)... it is just as ridiculous to say that "MDs are smarter" as it i to say that "DOs are more thorough" or "nicer"... its bull****, it varies from doctor to doctor... and the only thing you can rely on as an objective measure of a physician's basic fund of knowledge and continued education is their ABMS status... but even then, they may be an a**hole or provide really ****ty care (MD or DO)...

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Whatever Bruno.

that, is a great retort...

Thank you. I reserve use of that response when people either back pedal or talk out of their rear. [}:)]
In any case, for what it is worth I agree with the substance of your last post.

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Whatever Bruno.

that, is a great retort...

Thank you. I reserve use of that response when people either back pedal or talk out of their rear. [}:)]

neither of which i did.

[neevan]

I stumbled across this website this evening and since I didn't see anyone who actually worked at OSUMC/TRMC post here, thought I'd add my two cents.

I worked for TRMC for over a decade before those wonderful people at ardent decided to cut our entire department (we weren't the only ones to go) and sent the work out of the country. To say ardent is not a good company to work for is the understatement of the century and I would never set foot as a patient in any hospital they own. I've worked in many hospitals in this area, and all but one hospital in Tulsa, so yes I do have a basis for comparison.

Ardent bought out the Hillcrest system with only their wallets in mind, typical corporation. At that time of the buyout Hillcrest Medical Center (not the whole hospital system) was about two pay periods away from bankruptcy. TRMC was actually the only hospital in the system making a profit (go figure). When ardent decided to change the name of TRMC to OSUMC, they spent a small fortune on a wonderful party for the media and employees and graphic design (I heard one of the residents mention  - nice to see where the 40 million  is going sarcastically during lunch one day, so it wasn't just me). They spent no telling how much on redecorating, ("we're going to put a mural in this hallway" - you get the idea), etc., the appearance type stuff and very little on patient care or anything that actually mattered, besides putting many people out of work. They even managed to eliminate the entire volunteer department for several months until they could fine new volunteers and vendors to their liking. In the meantime, SFH, SJMC, SC, and other hospitals are sweating it out hoping TRMC doesn't close their doors because, god forbid, they should actually have to treat indigent patients such as homeless, AIDS patients, welfare mamas, drug addicts, immigrants or anybody else they think might dirty up their nice little hospitals. A small bit of sunshine - ardent threw Marty Bonick out overnight literally, so I guess now he knows how it feels for everybody else.

So as far as ardent losing their money, great!!, I hope they lose it all, I hope I hear of them filing for bankruptcy soon, but most of all I hope they sell TRMC SOON so those med students, interns and residents can continue their work.

[jne]

Deal is done.

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