Where is the River Tax Campaign Expenditure Filing

[Friendly Bear]

Where is the River Tax Campaign Expenditure Filing?

How much are the local Tax Vampires raising and spending to shove another $0.004 tax up the Tulsa County residents hind quarters?

When is it due to be filed?

Why hasn't the Lorton's World filed a story about what the Tax Vampires are raising and spending to grab another $282 million in our precious, hard-earning money?

[}:)]

[shadows]

That has to be gone over and over before it can be released.   It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.  

But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.    

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by shadows

That has to be gone over and over before it can be released.   It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.  

But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.    

Well, I was premature again.

Today's Lorton's World has the donor.

$1.3 million raised.

1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.

Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by shadows

That has to be gone over and over before it can be released.   It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.  

But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.    

Well, I was premature again.

Today's Lorton's World has the donor.

$1.3 million raised.

1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.

Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382

[:O]

We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by shadows

That has to be gone over and over before it can be released.   It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.  

But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.    

Well, I was premature again.

Today's Lorton's World has the donor.

$1.3 million raised.

1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.

Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382

[:O]

We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.

By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by shadows

That has to be gone over and over before it can be released.   It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.  

But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.    

Well, I was premature again.

Today's Lorton's World has the donor.

$1.3 million raised.

1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.

Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382

[:O]

We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.

By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.

Talk about easy. Do you think the players in that venture could have foreseen the 911 tragedy and its effect on air travel? The loss of thousands of jobs locally in the oil and tech industry when they left town? That would have been a successful venture that no one would have questioned without those factors. Nice armchair quarterbacking sport.

Perhaps you would prefer that the proletariat paid for the conception and advertising of such projects?

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by shadows

That has to be gone over and over before it can be released.   It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.  

But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.    

Well, I was premature again.

Today's Lorton's World has the donor.

$1.3 million raised.

1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.

Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382

[:O]

We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.

By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.

Talk about easy. Do you think the players in that venture could have foreseen the 911 tragedy and its effect on air travel? The loss of thousands of jobs locally in the oil and tech industry when they left town? That would have been a successful venture that no one would have questioned without those factors. Nice armchair quarterbacking sport.

Perhaps you would prefer that the proletariat paid for the conception and advertising of such projects?

I just love it when the Great Plains apologists try to fraudulently excuse Great Plains by blaming 9/11.  9/11 had nothing to due with the shaky foundation that scam was built on. 9/11 had nothing to do with the property at the airport being illegally used to back the BOK loans or the illegal loan repayment Bank of Kaiser almost got away with getting from the city. You really do make this too easy. Yawn.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by shadows

That has to be gone over and over before it can be released.   It is assured by anyone who has paid for signs and advertisement that a large sum is being spent.  

But now the children, who are underage are being used to replace actors in spite of it should be regularized by State and Federal Child labor laws.    

Well, I was premature again.

Today's Lorton's World has the donor.

$1.3 million raised.

1,300,000 reasons to Vote NO.

Here's the link to the Usual Suspects:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070929_1_A13_hrpah78382

[:O]

We all know that if people who have made a lot of money and have good business sense are behind it, it must be a bad investment.

By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.

Talk about easy. Do you think the players in that venture could have foreseen the 911 tragedy and its effect on air travel? The loss of thousands of jobs locally in the oil and tech industry when they left town? That would have been a successful venture that no one would have questioned without those factors. Nice armchair quarterbacking sport.

Perhaps you would prefer that the proletariat paid for the conception and advertising of such projects?

I just love it when the Great Plains apologists try to fraudulently excuse Great Plains by blaming 9/11.  9/11 had nothing to due with the shaky foundation that scam was built on. 9/11 had nothing to do with the property at the airport being illegally used to back the BOK loans or the illegal loan repayment Bank of Kaiser almost got away with getting from the city. You really do make this too easy. Yawn.

Once again you speak with no insight, no knowledge of how things happen and no real effort to learn. I have a friend who was one of the investors and was intimately involved with the operation. He is the most intelligent and high moraled man I know yet he is just like any other guy you would meet. It was interesting to learn how it was put together and why it failed then read the aftermath and try to reconcile the two. Where did you get your info? Here?

Yeah, that 911 thing was way overblown eh? Probably didn't even happen, eh? Did you own stock in any airlines during that period? You wouldn't say something so cavalier as it was just an excuse. Losing 30,000 high paying tech and energy jobs, people who fly alot, was inconsequential to you because the financing was ultimately judged to be illegal. Well, guess what. Most any project details can be spun to suit the purposes when the project fails. Had this succeeded no one would have cared. In fact more such arrangements may have followed. The thin line between genius and criminal is thinnest in the business world.

But you're a black/white guy. And that mayor was also Democrat and female. Some of the players were wealthy and prominent. All the ingredients needed to invoke your wrath.

Stop yawning and start learning.

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Double A



By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.

Wow, you found one business deal that went bad.

Gold star for DoubleA

Actually it wasn't near as well supported as the river tax plan and generally has very little in common with it. Make it a silver star.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by sgrizzle

quote:Originally posted by Double A



By those standards Great Plains was a great deal. How'd that work out? You really make this to easy.

Wow, you found one business deal that went bad.

Gold star for DoubleA

Actually it wasn't near as well supported as the river tax plan and generally has very little in common with it. Make it a silver star.

Great Plains Airlines only cost taxpayers a mere pittance of $38 million.

The Kaiser River Tax, however, will cost AT LEAST $282 million. There's NO CAP on the TAX.

It's $0.004.  It's for 7 years.  That's all.

[Conan71]

The seed for Great Plains was planted during an un-precidented travel boom that did go downhill fast after 9/11.

I don't know you can make that the sole reason it collapsed, it might have been shaky before that.  Larger, long-established airlines filed bankruptcy or nearly wound up in bankruptcy as a result of the bust in the travel market which ocurred after 9/11.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

The seed for Great Plains was planted during an un-precidented travel boom that did go downhill fast after 9/11.

I don't know you can make that the sole reason it collapsed, it might have been shaky before that.  Larger, long-established airlines filed bankruptcy or nearly wound up in bankruptcy as a result of the bust in the travel market which ocurred after 9/11.

How about the fact they never even had the capability to reach the nonstop destinations on the east and west coasts like they advertised when this was being sold to the public?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear


Great Plains Airlines only cost taxpayers a mere pittance of $38 million.

The Kaiser River Tax, however, will cost AT LEAST $282 million. There's NO CAP on the TAX.

It's $0.004.  It's for 7 years.  That's all.

You left out the federal funds early-sunset clause.

[RecycleMichael]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

The seed for Great Plains was planted during an un-precidented travel boom that did go downhill fast after 9/11.

I don't know you can make that the sole reason it collapsed, it might have been shaky before that.  Larger, long-established airlines filed bankruptcy or nearly wound up in bankruptcy as a result of the bust in the travel market which ocurred after 9/11.

How about the fact they never even had the capability to reach the nonstop destinations on the east and west coasts like they advertised when this was being sold to the public?

That is an even more ridiculous reason to make the comparison between the two projects. One is a plan to improve public areas and make land available for re-development. The other was a business that used government dollars as collatoral but made bad business decisions like buying the wrong planes.

It is absurd to compare the vote for a sales tax on river improvements to the Great Plains Airlines problems. Try to keep up and stay focused, doubleA.

[Aa5drvr]

>>The other was a business that used >>government dollars as collatoral but made bad >>business decisions like buying the wrong >>planes.

Its comforting to know that if the River Vote passes, no bad business decisions will be made.