Turner: BOK to punish North Tulsans tax stand

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

F.B., take your rantings and anti-Semitic slurs to the Voice of Tulsa. You'll fit in better there with other dozen or so bigots, misanthropes and nutcases.

Lighten up.  

In the best tradition of comedians Myron V. Cohen, Don Rickles, Henny Youngman, Alan King, Jerry Lewis, Joey Bishop, and a host of other Jewish comedians who have made careers out of making fun of their religion, their wives, the Catskills, etc., it was only a joke.

Unfortunately my Wink "Smilie" []was deleted by the heavy hand of the Forum Gestapo when he/she edited my comment as Unnecessary.

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bigot

Am not.

bigot

[guido911]

FB: "Actually, the so-called philanthropic contributions..."

So now the $117 is not even philanthropic or a contribution. Whatever.

[rwarn17588]

F.B. wrote, defending his anti-Semitism:

In the best tradition of comedians Myron V. Cohen, Don Rickles, Henny Youngman, Alan King, Jerry Lewis, Joey Bishop, and a host of other Jewish comedians who have made careers out of making fun of their religion, their wives, the Catskills, etc., it was only a joke.

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The big difference is that those people you mentioned are funny and sharp.

You are neither.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Different type of match.  What you are alluding to is voluntary matching and giving.  If it were similar w/ the river, it would have been:  For every dollar raised through voluntary donations, KFF will match with a 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 donation, etc.

Honestly, had it been brought about in such a manner and the city were managing the project under the auspices of a trust or oversight group, I'd gladly have given $1000 and shut my mouth.

A KWGS or PBS fund-raiser doesn't require the impoundment of sales tax dollars to stimulate the match.

Cut the cr*p.  There aren't 37 kinds of giving, it's just giving.  And giving is always conditional.  However you slice it, it was a generous offer and you rejected it.

You don't have a problem with his gift, you have a problem paying taxes.  Your cheeseparing has cost the city $117 million.  That's not his fault, it's yours.  Show some dignity.

[Chicken Little]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

Actually, the so-called philanthropic contributions...

Ditto, cheapskate.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by inteller

and he is only one of MANY generous rich men with BALLS that donated without conditions.  before the current crop of cronies Tulsa had good philanthropists.

Inteller,  

If you acted like this on the street, you'd be arrested for aggressive panhandling.  Your last statement is ignorant, and I feel like educating you on this point.  

Every foundation has "conditions"; they all have missions.  They don't just hand out money to anybody that calls them up, "Hello, is the the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? Where can I get my free Camaro?"

Asking for matching money is normal business practice with grants.  It's akin to forming a business partnership. It's even like a bank asking you to put up equity funds in order to get a loan. It gets rid of the bullsh*tters.

You are trashing a guy for being a smart businessman.  I thought you conservatives appreciated that sort of thing?  Anyways, good luck with that free Trans Am or whatever.

Conditioning giving that it be through school systems, homeless shelters, Habitat For Humanity, drug programs, etc. isn't the same as yanking your funding when matching funds don't materialize.  I'd say that's the exception rather than the rule.

Care to share other recent examples of matching funds between philanthropists which require matching public funding via taxes or otherwise or are you pulling this out of a corner of your brain?

I think we all get that you don't just call up a foundation for personal transportation or housing needs.  That's pretty elementary.

Examples?  Turn on 89.5 KWGS right this minute.  People offer matching contributions all the time.  For instance, if small donors give  $2,000 before 10 am, so-and-so will match it with another $2,000.  It's very common.

Different type of match.  What you are alluding to is voluntary matching and giving.  If it were similar w/ the river, it would have been:  For every dollar raised through voluntary donations, KFF will match with a 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 donation, etc.

Honestly, had it been brought about in such a manner and the city were managing the project under the auspices of a trust or oversight group, I'd gladly have given $1000 and shut my mouth.

A KWGS or PBS fund-raiser doesn't require the impoundment of sales tax dollars to stimulate the match.

Do you remember when Zarrow gave money to the schools based on matching contributions from smaller donors and how it really brought the community together? KFF should have went that route for river development.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

F.B., take your rantings and anti-Semitic slurs to the Voice of Tulsa. You'll fit in better there with other dozen or so bigots, misanthropes and nutcases.

Lighten up.  

In the best tradition of comedians Myron V. Cohen, Don Rickles, Henny Youngman, Alan King, Jerry Lewis, Joey Bishop, and a host of other Jewish comedians who have made careers out of making fun of their religion, their wives, the Catskills, etc., it was only a joke.

Unfortunately my Wink "Smilie" []was deleted by the heavy hand of the Forum Gestapo when he/she edited my comment as Unnecessary.

[]

bigot

Am not.

bigot

Am NOT.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Different type of match.  What you are alluding to is voluntary matching and giving.  If it were similar w/ the river, it would have been:  For every dollar raised through voluntary donations, KFF will match with a 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 donation, etc.

Honestly, had it been brought about in such a manner and the city were managing the project under the auspices of a trust or oversight group, I'd gladly have given $1000 and shut my mouth.

A KWGS or PBS fund-raiser doesn't require the impoundment of sales tax dollars to stimulate the match.

Cut the cr*p.  There aren't 37 kinds of giving, it's just giving.  And giving is always conditional.  However you slice it, it was a generous offer and you rejected it.

You don't have a problem with his gift, you have a problem paying taxes.  Your cheeseparing has cost the city $117 million.  That's not his fault, it's yours.  Show some dignity.

A Mother's Gift of Love to her child is not Conditional.

You must be barren.............

[brunoflipper]

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

F.B., take your rantings and anti-Semitic slurs to the Voice of Tulsa. You'll fit in better there with other dozen or so bigots, misanthropes and nutcases.

Lighten up.  

In the best tradition of comedians Myron V. Cohen, Don Rickles, Henny Youngman, Alan King, Jerry Lewis, Joey Bishop, and a host of other Jewish comedians who have made careers out of making fun of their religion, their wives, the Catskills, etc., it was only a joke.

Unfortunately my Wink "Smilie" []was deleted by the heavy hand of the Forum Gestapo when he/she edited my comment as Unnecessary.

[]

bigot

Am not.

bigot

Am NOT.

i'm giving a talk at Tulsa School for Science & Technology tody, got any funny black "jokes" that i can use to break the ice??

the worst kind of racist are the ones who won't own up to it..

bigot...

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

F.B., take your rantings and anti-Semitic slurs to the Voice of Tulsa. You'll fit in better there with other dozen or so bigots, misanthropes and nutcases.

Lighten up.  

In the best tradition of comedians Myron V. Cohen, Don Rickles, Henny Youngman, Alan King, Jerry Lewis, Joey Bishop, and a host of other Jewish comedians who have made careers out of making fun of their religion, their wives, the Catskills, etc., it was only a joke.

Unfortunately my Wink "Smilie" []was deleted by the heavy hand of the Forum Gestapo when he/she edited my comment as Unnecessary.

[]

bigot

Am not.

bigot

Am NOT.

i'm giving a talk at Tulsa School for Science & Technology tody, got any funny black "jokes" that i can use to break the ice??

the worst kind of racist are the ones who won't own up to it..

bigot...

As to an introductory joke to use as an icebreaker in your remarks, you might seek out some early Bill Cosby, Red Foxx or Richard Pryor recordings.  

Early in their careers as comedians, they used to say very self-deprecating (and hilarious) remarks concerning "stereotypical" behavior by African Americans.  

In fact, the worst racists I've ever encountered are found among a few African Americans, being as they are too acutely aware of their race when in fact they had NO CHOICE in the matter. None.

Stuck in the vortex of a Perpetual Pity-Party, feeling aggrieved for what someone maybe did to their Great-Great-Great Granddaddy, or someone who maybe dissed their Granddaddy when they lived here in Jim Crow Land - O.k.l.a.h.o.m.a.

Oh yes, it was the legal law of the Oklahoma- Jim Crow Land that African Americans used the Colored-Only restrooms, and the Colored Waiting room at the Tulsa Union Depot, and when leaving or entering Oklahoma, had to sit in the Colored railway car.

Those are a few suggestions for comic relief.

You should be a huge hit.  Be sure and punctuate your remarks with periodic references to "You People", a la Presidential Candidate Ross Perot and his NAACP address, if you really want to stir up your audience.  

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by brunoflipper

quote:Originally posted by Friendly Bear

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

F.B., take your rantings and anti-Semitic slurs to the Voice of Tulsa. You'll fit in better there with other dozen or so bigots, misanthropes and nutcases.

Lighten up.  

In the best tradition of comedians Myron V. Cohen, Don Rickles, Henny Youngman, Alan King, Jerry Lewis, Joey Bishop, and a host of other Jewish comedians who have made careers out of making fun of their religion, their wives, the Catskills, etc., it was only a joke.

Unfortunately my Wink "Smilie" []was deleted by the heavy hand of the Forum Gestapo when he/she edited my comment as Unnecessary.

[]

bigot

Am not.

bigot

Am NOT.

i'm giving a talk at Tulsa School for Science & Technology tody, got any funny black "jokes" that i can use to break the ice??

the worst kind of racist are the ones who won't own up to it..

bigot...

By the way, there is actually NO EVIDENCE of any untoward remarks emanating from hereabouts.

The Forum Gestapo happily dropped my earlier jocular comments down the George Orwell ThoughtCrime Memory Hole, labeling simply as Unncessary.

Not bigoted.  Not profane.  Not racist.

Unnecessary.

No evidence at all....

[]

[RecycleMichael]

Please Friendly Bear...

Please don't turn this forum into a discussion of what is the appropriate level of racist jokes.

Stop it. Your jokes are not funny and not welcome here.

If I read any more, I will urge the Administrator to ban you for life.

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael

Please Friendly Bear...

Please don't turn this forum into a discussion of what is the appropriate level of racist jokes.

Stop it. Your jokes are not funny and not welcome here.

If I read any more, I will urge the Administrator to ban you for life.

BrunoFlipper seems intent on prolonging this useless discussion, by asking for some guidance on Ice-Breaker jokes for his upcoming audience.

I readily complied, but provided no specific examples, just general guidance regarding what comedians have used.

So, you can come down off of your sanctimonious High Horse before you break the poor creature's back.

[]

[Friendly Bear]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by Chicken Little

quote:Originally posted by inteller

and he is only one of MANY generous rich men with BALLS that donated without conditions.  before the current crop of cronies Tulsa had good philanthropists.

Inteller,  

If you acted like this on the street, you'd be arrested for aggressive panhandling.  Your last statement is ignorant, and I feel like educating you on this point.  

Every foundation has "conditions"; they all have missions.  They don't just hand out money to anybody that calls them up, "Hello, is the the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? Where can I get my free Camaro?"

Asking for matching money is normal business practice with grants.  It's akin to forming a business partnership. It's even like a bank asking you to put up equity funds in order to get a loan. It gets rid of the bullsh*tters.

You are trashing a guy for being a smart businessman.  I thought you conservatives appreciated that sort of thing?  Anyways, good luck with that free Trans Am or whatever.

Conditioning giving that it be through school systems, homeless shelters, Habitat For Humanity, drug programs, etc. isn't the same as yanking your funding when matching funds don't materialize.  I'd say that's the exception rather than the rule.

Care to share other recent examples of matching funds between philanthropists which require matching public funding via taxes or otherwise or are you pulling this out of a corner of your brain?

I think we all get that you don't just call up a foundation for personal transportation or housing needs.  That's pretty elementary.

Examples?  Turn on 89.5 KWGS right this minute.  People offer matching contributions all the time.  For instance, if small donors give  $2,000 before 10 am, so-and-so will match it with another $2,000.  It's very common.

Different type of match.  What you are alluding to is voluntary matching and giving.  If it were similar w/ the river, it would have been:  For every dollar raised through voluntary donations, KFF will match with a 1 to 1 or 2 to 1 donation, etc.

Honestly, had it been brought about in such a manner and the city were managing the project under the auspices of a trust or oversight group, I'd gladly have given $1000 and shut my mouth.

A KWGS or PBS fund-raiser doesn't require the impoundment of sales tax dollars to stimulate the match.

What the Kaiser River Tax campaign promised or did not promise in regards to the Private "Donations" just got a bit more difficult to verify:

Access to www.ourriveryes.com is now BLOCKED.

To facilitate flushing the whole mess down an Orwellian TulsaMetroChamber NewSpeak Memory Hole?

[cannon_fodder]

Its not blocked.  The page has simply been removed from the server.  The vote is over and the registrant doesn't want to pay for bandwidth so they have removed the page.  You can still view a cached version here:
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:bLheGrcqicoJ:www.ourriveryes.com/+OurRiverYes.com&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Not everything is a conspiracy.  "The man" hasn't blocked anything.  Learn something about the internets before you post ridiculous accusations of blocking websites.  When you delete a directory on a web server and restrict access to public folders (which everyone with a web server had better do) the directory listing comes back as forbidden.  Instead of a DNS 404 error, you get a forbidden error until the DNS listing  expires.