Oklahoma lawmaker shows prejudice against Islam

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

You know what, don't bother trying to prove that the Klan has "Christian roots", I know its crap.

Exactly.  I asked what your stand was.  Are you a Christian?  If so, is the Klan Christian?

It's typical Christian denial to ignore the Klan's Christianity.

You ignore the Klan's "Christian" references in their own literature, you ignore the fact that you have to be a Protestant to be Klan.

If you didn't want to talk about it, you could have just shut up and moved on.  I'm not interested in the Klan or it's ties to Christianity.  You're the ones that are interested in discriminatory practices, all I've said all along, is don't discriminate.  You want Islam to be responsible for everything some nut does, make Christianity responsible for it's own stuff.  Quite fair, for most rational people.

[kakie]

Today in the Tulsa World I read:

..."[Governor's Ethnic American] Council chairwoman Marjan Seirafi-Pour said the intent of the council is to work with the government and others to build understanding of Islam."

In other words, they are trying to advance the religion of Islam.  

If you find that advancing the religion of Islam under the Governor's Ethnic American Council is wrong, wrong, wrong, please call the Governor of Oklahoma at 800 865-5853, the Oklahoma Office of Personnel Management who provides staff and office space to this council for their meetings.  Their number is 405 521-2177.  

And most of all call your state legislators who can end funding for this council.

You can find your two state representatives here:
http://www.capitolconnect.com/oklahoma/default.aspx

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=071101_1_A7_hHepo67400

[jne]

quote:Originally posted by kakie

Today in the Tulsa World I read:

..."[Governor's Ethnic American] Council chairwoman Marjan Seirafi-Pour said the intent of the council is to work with the government and others to build understanding of Islam."

In other words, they are trying to advance the religion of Islam.  

If you find that advancing the religion of Islam under the Governor's Ethnic American Council is wrong, wrong, wrong, please call the Governor of Oklahoma at 800 865-5853, the Oklahoma Office of Personnel Management who provides staff and office space to this council for their meetings.  Their number is 405 521-2177.  

And most of all call your state legislators who can end funding for this council.

You can find your two state representatives here:
http://www.capitolconnect.com/oklahoma/default.aspx

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=071101_1_A7_hHepo67400

LOL - you really are a fear mongering nutjob

[Jeff Man]

LOL - you really are a fear mongering nutjob

Man, do you really think the best way to discuss something is to call someone a name?  

You know it just makes Kakie's position look stronger.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by jne

quote:Originally posted by kakie

Today in the Tulsa World I read:

..."[Governor's Ethnic American] Council chairwoman Marjan Seirafi-Pour said the intent of the council is to work with the government and others to build understanding of Islam."

In other words, they are trying to advance the religion of Islam.  

If you find that advancing the religion of Islam under the Governor's Ethnic American Council is wrong, wrong, wrong, please call the Governor of Oklahoma at 800 865-5853, the Oklahoma Office of Personnel Management who provides staff and office space to this council for their meetings.  Their number is 405 521-2177.  

And most of all call your state legislators who can end funding for this council.

You can find your two state representatives here:
http://www.capitolconnect.com/oklahoma/default.aspx

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=071101_1_A7_hHepo67400

LOL - you really are a fear mongering nutjob

What a thoughtful response.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by kakie

Today in the Tulsa World I read:

..."[Governor's Ethnic American] Council chairwoman Marjan Seirafi-Pour said the intent of the council is to work with the government and others to build understanding of Islam."

In other words, they are trying to advance the religion of Islam.  

If you find that advancing the religion of Islam under the Governor's Ethnic American Council is wrong, wrong, wrong, please call the Governor of Oklahoma at 800 865-5853, the Oklahoma Office of Personnel Management who provides staff and office space to this council for their meetings.  Their number is 405 521-2177.  

And most of all call your state legislators who can end funding for this council.

You can find your two state representatives here:
http://www.capitolconnect.com/oklahoma/default.aspx

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=071101_1_A7_hHepo67400

Since when is "understanding" a bad thing? Isn't that just what you have been doing in your study of Islam, trying to "understand" it? I would say that you have chosen to understand only the worst parts of Islam and you then to infer a lot about all Muslims based on what some believe.

And to say that "understanding" means "spread" isn't correct, those words have different meanings and to want to change one for the other is changing the meaning of the sentence.

And, the article plainly states that the Qurans were not paid for with state funds.

[MichaelC]

You know, we had a pretty good little discussion going on a few pages ago.  Any chance we could get off the "Fear and Hate Islam" train, and start talking about reality?

[Wingnut]

Here is some reality....

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58295

[rwarn17588]

This is stupid. "Understanding" is not the same as "advancing."

I could understand someone's reasons for murdering someone else, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm advancing it.

Methinks there's some lack of comprehension here.

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

Here is some reality....

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58295

I'm sorry, are you you too stupid to know what a Republican was?  Hell yeah, their first targets were Republicans.  Thanks for pointing that out Captain Obvious.    

Now, can somebody who is not an idiot post.  And could get somewhere around the topic anyway.

[kakie]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

This is stupid. "Understanding" is not the same as "advancing."

I could understand someone's reasons for murdering someone else, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm advancing it.

Methinks there's some lack of comprehension here.

Heard of separation of Church and State?  This council meets in a government building, the Office of Personnel Mgmt,  with support staff paid for by taxpaper's dollars. They should not be advancing or helping any one understand Islam.  Her term to understand Islam means to teach it - how else do you understand it?  This is a clear violation of Church and State.  I urge everyone to call the Governor and their state legislators!

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by kakie

Heard of separation of Church and State?

Have you?  And do you have an understanding of that concept at all?

I strongly encourage you to sue the Ethnic Council and the State.

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by kakie

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

This is stupid. "Understanding" is not the same as "advancing."

I could understand someone's reasons for murdering someone else, but that sure as hell doesn't mean I'm advancing it.

Methinks there's some lack of comprehension here.

Heard of separation of Church and State?  This council meets in a government building, the Office of Personnel Mgmt,  with support staff paid for by taxpaper's dollars. They should not be advancing or helping any one understand Islam.  Her term to understand Islam means to teach it - how else do you understand it?  This is a clear violation of Church and State.  I urge everyone to call the Governor and their state legislators!

They meet once a quarter in a state office building with the purpose of advising the governer on issues that relate to Muslims.  How is this bad?

And, for the record, I meet with Cub Scouts twice a month in a government building (Library) and Scouts is a Christian organization.  Should that be disallowed too?

[spoonbill]

quote:Originally posted by swake

Originally posted by kakie

Originally posted by rwarn17588

This is stupid. "Understanding" is not the same as "advancing."


They meet once a quarter in a state office building with the purpose of advising the governer on issues that relate to Muslims.  How is this bad?

This topic is being debated in other venues in the media now, and some interesting information is emerging about the Ethnic Advisory Counsel members appointed by governor Henry.  

Originally the counsel was to be made up of people of diverse ethnic backgrounds.  It's establishment was to provide understanding and review of numerous cultural issues that affect the Oklahoma and to provide review and insight for the education of Oklahoma Teachers, text books,  and educational institutions.

This incident is causing people to question the 100% Muslim makeup of the council.  Among the members are Mohammad Farzaneh who donated over $100, 000 to governor Henry and other state politicians. The other members of the counsel, mostly wealthy physicians are now being scrutinized for their donations to Henry prior to his election.

Also being examined, is evidence that the statement given to the media was prepared in advance by the group's attorney and ready for the press prior to the anticipated refusal of the Koran by the lawmakers.  

Out of all of the lawmakers that refused the item, David Derby of Owasso, Guy Liebmann of Oklahoma City, Mark McCullough of Sapulpa, Mike Reynolds of Oklahoma City, Susan Winchester of Chickasha, Rex Duncan of Sand Springs and Senators Randy Brogdon of Owasso and David Myers of Ponca City, they singled out a target they felt was vulnerable.

Interestingly enough, this is far from over.  Very cunning.

[Wingnut]

quote: And, for the record, I meet with Cub Scouts twice a month in a government building (Library) and Scouts is a Christian organization.

Fyi, Scouting is not a Christian organization, although some call it a "religious" organization as justification to prevent or stop supporting it. There are various religions in Scouting. As a Scouter myself, I wouldn't really call it a religious organization, because it's not based on religion, it's based on character, citizenship and physical fitness development (the 3 aims of Scouting). Religion plays a part, but is not the basis. No doctrine is taught or preached, just "to do our duty to God and my Country".