Oklahoma lawmaker shows prejudice against Islam

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by MichaelC

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

I don't ever recall hearing of public school cafeterias having a kosher requirement for their Jewish students, yet there are now accomodations for Muslim student's dietary needs in the Detroit and Dearborn area.

Here's one.

http://www.aclufl.org/news_events/?action=viewRelease&emailAlertID=2973

I'm sure there's more, but certain people are far more interested in focusing on certain groups.

Dietary is fairly important, for years schools I went to offered fish on Friday's for Catholics.  If you don't have dietary restrictions, like those swine-eating Protestants, you really don't have anything to complain about.  Swine-eaters. *shakes fist*

But seriously, I love pigs.  Especially eating them.

Not that we need to get further sidetracked with events and places and foods exclusively used to stereotype.  Let's move on.  Shall we?

Well duh, kosher food at Ben Gamla charter school. []

Your commment about "I love pigs" brings to mind the Vincent Vega/Jules Winfield exchange in the coffee shop in "Pulp Fiction"

"Bacon tastes good, pork chops taste good..."

"Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie but I'll never know because I wouldn't eat the filthy mother ****ers".

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

SWAKE: "I don't disagree that radical Islam is very dangerous, or that it's far worse than radical Christianity. It's just that radical Christianity is a bigger danger to us."

What absolute, blame America first b*llsh*t:

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Blame America? Blame us for what? You aren't even making sense.

[Wingnut]

quote: Which is why you ought to be supportive of the ACLU instead of deriding it. The ACLU has been defending the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for decades. It deserves praise, not scorn.

Support for the aclu is support for communism. Read some of the links I posted.
Why don't they support anything that has to do with Christianity if they are for "equal rights and protections"?

[swake]

quote:Originally posted by Wingnut

quote: Which is why you ought to be supportive of the ACLU instead of deriding it. The ACLU has been defending the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for decades. It deserves praise, not scorn.

Support for the aclu is support for communism. Read some of the links I posted.
Why don't they support anything that has to do with Christianity if they are for "equal rights and protections"?

The Cold War is over, let it go....

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

<guido wrote:

SWAKE: "I don't disagree that radical Islam is very dangerous, or that it's far worse than radical Christianity. It's just that radical Christianity is a bigger danger to us."

What absolute, blame America first b*llsh*t:

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I agree with swake. Christian fundamentalists are in a far, far bigger sphere of political influence than Muslims ever will be. If they set their sights on usurping portions of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, you betcha they're a bigger threat. That's obvious.

RW- I wouldn't go so far as to say "ever will  be".  The muslim population will only continue to grow in coming years, and with that will come a demand for more influence.  In terms of imminent influence, yes Christianity has more pull these days.  

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by swake


That is the point. I would bet money that he is one of those Evangelical Christians that I have been talking about so here again is another area where "radical" Christians are dangerous to US in their treatment of other religions.

Honestly, I think Rex Duncan's actions have been dismissed by 75% of us as him being a pathetic ignoramus.  I don't see anything "dangerous" about his actions.  His refusal of the Quran wasn't stupid, so much as his public justification for not accepting it.

Move on nothing more to see here.

[rwarn17588]

Wingnut wrote:

Support for the aclu is support for communism.

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Congratulations. You've just blown your credibility all to hell.

Next thing you know, you'll say that the communists are trying to control our bodily fluids, without a hint of irony. [}:)]

And wingnuts wonder why people ridicule them. [}:)]

[rwarn17588]

Conan wrote:

The muslim population will only continue to grow in coming years, and with that will come a demand for more influence.

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That will have to be one hell of a population boost to go up from infinitesimal. According to the 2000 census, Muslims made up 0.6 percent of the U.S. population.

If they double their numbers, they'll be 1.2 percent of the population.

Whoop-dee-do.

That's also assuming other ethnic groups stay stagnant in growth, which they won't. And because Muslims assimilate very well in America, their radical elements will be very small indeed.

Forgive me if I'm not worried. Facts and common sense make me that way.

[Wingnut]

quote: And wingnuts wonder why people ridicule them

I'm not one of those wingnuts. I'm into avaition. I'd post an aircraft avatar in I could figure out how.

Granted, saying support for the aclu is support for communism may be out of line, but what have they done other than beat up on churches and Boy Scouts? All I see them doing is removing peoples rights while enforcing rights for special interest groups.

[MichaelC]

Actually, the ACLU has done quite a lot to defend religious liberty.

http://www.aclu.org/religion/public/16254res20050302.html

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Conan wrote:

The muslim population will only continue to grow in coming years, and with that will come a demand for more influence.

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That will have to be one hell of a population boost to go up from infinitesimal. According to the 2000 census, Muslims made up 0.6 percent of the U.S. population.

If they double their numbers, they'll be 1.2 percent of the population.

Whoop-dee-do.

That's also assuming other ethnic groups stay stagnant in growth, which they won't. And because Muslims assimilate very well in America, their radical elements will be very small indeed.

Forgive me if I'm not worried. Facts and common sense make me that way.

Didn't say I am worried about it.  You don't live in fear of something, but you don't entirely discount all possibilities either.

I just wouldn't turn a blind eye and assume that it's not possible and there won't be the potential for some mosques to be perverted by a charismatic iconoclast for nefarious ends.  The difference is, when Christianity is is bastardized, it's usually for the personal financial gain, ego needs, or sexual proclivities of the leader.  When Islam is bastardized, it's usually to bring down another religion or nation.  

Here's some interesting stats covering the growth just from 1994 to 2000.  

http://www.islamfortoday.com/america04.htm

Muslim's I grew up with came here as their parents wanted to escape the repression of their home countries, and yes they did assimilate well, and some became Christians.  I even dated a Muslim woman for awhile.  My own personal life experience with Muslims has been quite good and positive.

[rwarn17588]

Conan wrote:

I just wouldn't turn a blind eye and assume that it's not possible and there won't be the potential for some mosques to be perverted by a charismatic iconoclast for nefarious ends.

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Of course. But that's what the police and law-abiding citizenry are for -- to be on the lookout for criminal activity.

That doesn't mean you move police resources away from monitoring gang-bangers down the street and meth houses because you're skeered that a handful of Muslims *might* be up to no good.

As I've said before, the concern about radical Islam is way, way out of proportion to obvious and much more widespread lawbreaking -- stuff that has a real and present detriment to our society.

As an old boy I knew once said: "We've got bigger fish to fry."

The only motivations I see for this undue attention on American Muslims are unreasoning fear, old-fashioned bigotry, or cheap political opportunism.

[Conan71]

RW- I do believe I said more Americans are killed by non-Muslims every day than by Muslims.  

That is the present situation and there's no guarantee that will always remain the case.  I don't ascribe to the unreasonible fears of others nor the dense rhetoric of the Rex Duncans of this world, but I do understand what foments that sort of narrow-minded thinking.

[Wingnut]

quote: Actually, the ACLU has done quite a lot to defend religious liberty.

The ACLU of Oregon (1996-present) filed suits on behalf of Portland student Remington Powell and his parents against the Portland School District for allowing The Boy Scouts, a religious organization, to recruit in public schools during school hours. The first case alleged constitutional and statutory violations of the separation of church and state. The second case alleged violation of state anti-discrimination laws based on public schools allowing the Boy Scouts to recruit in school despite the organization's history of religious and sexual-orientation discrimination. www.aclu-or.org/litigation/powell/powellmain.htm

Interesting that the aclu doesn't want kids around those pesky Boy Scouts that want to teach boys things like citizenship, character, physicial fitness, first aid (including life saving skills), personal responsibility, community service, respect for others, cooking skills, and those other evil things needed in life.
Too bad the Boy Scouts were determined not to be discriminatory by the Supreme Court (I guess they made a mistake on the aclu website).
Since it says 1996 - present, I wonder why the story has been removed from the website.

[MichaelC]

Sure, why not, quote me, take out the link, and then dig around for something to keep crazy people crazy.  Wingnut, eh?

The ACLU is specifically designed to defend against Civil Liberty infractions.  I saw somewhere where something like 25 or 30% of ALL their cases were defending Christians against some type of religious discrimination.  Which would likely not be a surprising idea, if you read that link I posted, rather than digging around obsessively trying to prove some weird twisted point.

Liberties you might take for granted, other are barred from having.  That's where the ACLU comes in.  They're very equal opportunity about whom they defend.