Pro-illegals file another law suit against HB1804

[rwarn17588]

Guido wrote:

Incidentally, does the INS even exist anymore?

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Yes.

This is another edition of simple answers to stupid questions.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Guido wrote:

Incidentally, does the INS even exist anymore?

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Yes.

This is another edition of simple answers to stupid questions.

I guess that was a stupid question. You see, I thought INS was replaced by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Services. I also thought it happened more than four years ago.  

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

[rwarn17588]

Same agency, different name.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Same agency, different name.

Stupid answer to simple question, then?

[rwarn17588]

Yes. []

[wenwilwa]

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe the constitutionality of this law could be challenged because it abridges citizens' freedom of association.

Some people have tried to calm my fears of being persecuted or prosecuted for my association with immigrants by saying that the local police have reassured the public that they don't plan to prosecute apartment owners, churches or ordinary citizens (like myself) for associating with immigrants and subsequently violating the  "transporting" or "sheltering" pieces of HB 1804. Their reassurances are beside the point.

If this law could be interpreted to mean that I am a felon because I give an ESL student a ride to English classes without first verifying their status as a legal visitor to the States, I take issue with that. I've never considered myself "libertarian" in nature, but I feel quite offended that the government would interfere with my actions as a private citizen doing privately funded volunteer work to better my community by telling me whom I can and cannot transport in my car.

[Double A]

quote:Originally posted by wenwilwa

I�m not a lawyer, but I believe the constitutionality of this law could be challenged because it abridges citizens� freedom of association.

Some people have tried to calm my fears of being persecuted or prosecuted for my association with immigrants by saying that the local police have reassured the public that they don�t plan to prosecute apartment owners, churches or ordinary citizens (like myself) for associating with immigrants and subsequently violating the  ï¿½transporting� or �sheltering� pieces of HB 1804. Their reassurances are beside the point.

If this law could be interpreted to mean that I am a felon because I give an ESL student a ride to English classes without first verifying their status as a legal visitor to the States, I take issue with that. I�ve never considered myself �libertarian� in nature, but I feel quite offended that the government would interfere with my actions as a private citizen doing privately funded volunteer work to better my community by telling me whom I can and cannot transport in my car.

Read the law, humanitarian transport is protected.

[wenwilwa]

quote:Originally posted by Double A

quote:Originally posted by wenwilwa

I�m not a lawyer, but I believe the constitutionality of this law could be challenged because it abridges citizens� freedom of association.

Some people have tried to calm my fears of being persecuted or prosecuted for my association with immigrants by saying that the local police have reassured the public that they don�t plan to prosecute apartment owners, churches or ordinary citizens (like myself) for associating with immigrants and subsequently violating the  ï¿½transporting� or �sheltering� pieces of HB 1804. Their reassurances are beside the point.

If this law could be interpreted to mean that I am a felon because I give an ESL student a ride to English classes without first verifying their status as a legal visitor to the States, I take issue with that. I�ve never considered myself �libertarian� in nature, but I feel quite offended that the government would interfere with my actions as a private citizen doing privately funded volunteer work to better my community by telling me whom I can and cannot transport in my car.

Read the law, humanitarian transport is protected.

Maybe you see something in the law that I'm missing. The only reference to humanitarian exceptions is written under the section indicating situations where valid ID shall not be required, not under the section regarding transportation. Link

Let's say for the sake of argument that transportation to an ESL class would fall under humanitarian efforts (which I don't think it would). What if I decide to take a couple of my new immigrant friends to see a movie afterward? I'm pretty sure a judge could easily interpret this simple act as a felony according to the wording of HB 1804.

Tell me, does this not conflict with freedom of association in the first amendment?

[sauerkraut]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

sauerkraut wrote:

Local cops can enforce other federal laws, why can't they also be allowed to enforce immigration laws?

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Because it's not their job. It's INS' job. Plain and simple.

That can be changed if we really wanted to get serious about illegal aliens. Local cops can enforce other federal laws- so why is immigration off limets? It's time to change that. I'd favor having local cops enforce immigration laws.

[Steve]

As far as I am concerned, illegal residents regardless of their nationality have made their own bed, so they can just lie in it, so to speak.  I welcome 1804 and its effects on Tulsa population.  It's about time, I say.