CAIR OK : Press Release on a Middle East Website

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by recyclemichael


Just because no one answers your question, it doesn't mean you get credibility.

If that was the case, I would be highly credible and RM would be giving credibility to almost every thread on here. As it is, we're just incredulous... or incredible. Ask our wives.

[USRufnex]

quote:Originally posted by kakie

Do you hijackers not see that what you do helps give serious credibility to my inquiries?

Freedom to inquire and the quest for the truth cannot and will not be cowed into silence.  

It just gives me more strength.

Oh great, just what we need from kakie and this new character, Jeff Man, who I suspect is kakie's sockpuppet... more moral-absolutist-spam!

Which brings us back to the subject of this thread-jack... religion.

I grew up with the evangelical, fundamentalist church and institutions that would "stand up for what's right" and insist you had to "stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

I grew away from these churches after starting to catch onto the fact that this sect of Christianity wasn't really dedicated to finding the truth.  They were (and still are, IMO) dedicated to Proving Their Truth.

I remember having a great deal of respect for an elder of my church, who was one of those unassuming " humble servant/teacher" types.  Well studied.  Not a preacher, not an evangelist, not a modern-day "prophet."  Just a wise-sage, or what we'd call in the church at the time... a "man of God" who knew "the word."

I went to his house and his always subservient wife would offer me something to eat or drink.  I was already kinda offput by the condescending way the man treated his own wife.  I walked into his study and saw books... lots of them... tons of them... megatons... not enough wall space, so there were also shelves filled with books in the hallway, dining room, living room, etc...

I got curious.  I started looking... all these books were commentaries on the Bible... the Word of God.  Understandable, I guess, for someone who is a dedicated teacher in Sunday School.  But I kept looking... surely, somewhere in this house would be a "Popular Mechanics" or books about sports or poetry or classical music or literature, etc...

I found none.  Although I did see a special section of books on the "end times," the evils of "secular humanism," how the church had become "carnal" or how secular and contemporary christian music is used as an "instrument of the devil," even when this music contains Christian lyrics.... after all, Satan was a musician, wasn't he...

Years later, it made me wonder if I hadn't been part of a "socially acceptable cult."

Here was someone I respected when I was a teenager... yet I got more than a little  repulsed at the time by the narrow focus of his book collection... especially for someone who claimed to be "non-denominational."

Fundamentalist muslims and fundamentalist christians have more in common than either group will ever admit... one of those things is a mutual hatred of all things "secular" and "humanist."  It would explain why devout muslims would have a disdain for Halloween.  And could explain why a Shiite I worked the drive-thru with at Arby's back in college, would have been so interested in my classical  musical tastes and conservative evangelical religious beliefs.  

He called himself an Iranian who despised the Shah, and looked down on more moderate middle-eastern students, especially the ones who called themselves "Persian" rather than "Iranian"...

--to be continued...

[Jeff Man]

Speaking of religion,  which is not what this thread is about but hey I'll go with the flow.

Yusef Qaradawi, was once listed on IRS forms as one of four directors of the Islamic Society of Boston, and appeared in a 2002 fundraising video for the new sprawling mosque complex built in the neighborhood of Roxbury. After Boston Herald articles about Qaradawi's unsavory views, the Islamic Society of Boston defended Qaradawi on its website as a "leading Muslim scholar."

In 1995, Qaradawi spiritual leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, told followers, "We will conquer Europe, we will conquer America."

Isn't the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood to create a global Islamic state and take down America?

[rwarn17588]

Sounds like the Muslim Brotherhood was taped after having a few too many beers. It's all empty bluster -- and 12 years ago, to boot.

Let me repeat this again -- Muslims are of no direct and substantial threat to the United States.

Why are you scared of a religious group that makes up less than 1 percent of the U.S. population, of which the humongous majority wants to make money, raise families and live peacefully?

I'm not buying into your skeeredy-cat rantings that have no logical basis. There are much bigger and more pressing things to worry about.

[Jeff Man]

The reason his statement is old is likely because he's banned from the U.S. and is considered a global terrorist.

Documents about the Muslim Brotherhood's plan to destroy America was just brought to light by the Federal Government a couple months ago.  

Numerous national Islamic organizations were identified for their relationship to the Muslim Brotherhood.  None have denied this relationship.

Qaradawi urges Muslims to defend Iran
Sun, 14 Oct 2007 17:34:40

Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a prominent cleric, has urged Muslims to defend Iran, should Washington launch an attack on the country.

In an interview with Islam-Online, Sheikh Qaradawi stressed Muslims' duty to fight against the enemies of Islam, adding that Muslims should defend Iran if it is attacked by the US.

The Egyptian cleric added that as Iran is a Muslim country, it is "obligatory for all Muslims" to resist any possible attack the US might launch against the country.

"The US is an enemy of Islam that has already declared war on Islam under the guise of war on terrorism," said the president of the International Association of Muslim Scholars.

Qaradawi also voiced his support for Tehran's right to peaceful nuclear technology, urging the regional countries to follow diplomacy to resolve their disputes.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=27058§ionid=351020101

Coming full circle here.  Why was a press release from CAIR Oklahoma of interest to Islamonline over in the Middle East?  I can see why they carried something about the Pope as he is a world religious leader.  But of what interest could Islamonline located in the Middle East, owned in part by a U.S. global terrorist,  possible have about bringing Islam into the Oklahoma Public schools?

Something else Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi, the spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood, has written;  that while Islam was twice evicted from Europe - from al-Andalus and from Greece - it is now in the process of returning.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by rwarn17588

Sounds like the Muslim Brotherhood was taped after having a few too many beers. It's all empty bluster -- and 12 years ago, to boot.

Let me repeat this again -- Muslims are of no direct and substantial threat to the United States.

Why are you scared of a religious group that makes up less than 1 percent of the U.S. population, of which the humongous majority wants to make money, raise families and live peacefully?

I'm not buying into your skeeredy-cat rantings that have no logical basis. There are much bigger and more pressing things to worry about.

There is reason for a rational fear amongst people in American society.  It only took 19 radical Muslims to drag us into a six-year long war on terrorism.  It's radical Muslims in Iran which might wind up dragging us into WW-III.  I'm not losing sleep over it, but it's worth keeping an eye on it.

[MichaelC]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

There is reason for a rational fear amongst people in American society.  It only took 19 radical Muslims to drag us into a six-year long war on terrorism.  It's radical Muslims in Iran which might wind up dragging us into WW-III.  I'm not losing sleep over it, but it's worth keeping an eye on it.

And this equates to bombarding the forum with stereotypes and the "evils of Islam" six years after 911, how?

And we we're dragged.  We didn't invade a couple of Middle Eastern countries.  Is that correct?  We have no responsibility in that at all do we?

Concern is one thing, pee-pants Xenophobia or simple Christian fundamentalist bigotry are something completely different.

Which one is more evil, Islam or Homosexuality?  Just wondering.

[rwarn17588]

<Conan wrote:

There is reason for a rational fear amongst people in American society. It only took 19 radical Muslims to drag us into a six-year long war on terrorism. It's radical Muslims in Iran which might wind up dragging us into WW-III. I'm not losing sleep over it, but it's worth keeping an eye on it.

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The result of this whole sorry episode is that we're a half-trillion dollars poorer (and counting) and more soldiers dead than what was lost on 9/11, with not much to show for it.

The fear should not be directed at a few zealots who got lucky knocking down a couple of buildings. This fear is irrational. Muslims have no chance whatsoever in overthrowing the country. It's time to grow up and quit acting like there's a killer Muslim behind that bush, behind your computer, or under your bed.

The fear should be directed at our government because its extraordinarily stupid decisions have much greater repercussions on our freedoms.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by kakie

Recently,  the newly formed Oklahoma chapter of the Council of American Islamic Relations (CAIR) was reported to have given a presentation to the Oklahoma State School Boards Association and offering them plenty of material to bring Islam into the public schools in Oklahoma.

I didn't find this article in any newspaper in Oklahoma, oh no, I found this article on Islamonline, a Dubai based Islamic internet site which is owned, in part, by HAMAS/Muslim Brotherhood spiritual leader, Yusuf al-Qaradawi (Al-Qaradhawi) who openingly supports suicide bombers!  The article was submitted to them by CAIR!  

http://www.islamonline.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=33302

I didn't know Oklahoma had a pro-terrorist organization(other than the KKK) in Oklahoma.

[rwarn17588]

Unlike Muslims, the KKK once held prominent spots in Oklahoma government.

[Wingnut]

Muslim Brotherhood
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6386

The Project
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID={67736123-6864-4205-B51E-BCBDEF45FCDE}

Thats their plan, but Gods plan is different.

[MichaelC]

God's plan, apparently, is to make all Christian fundamentalists look like they are nuts.  As always, God is fulfilling his plan, quite successfully.

Twould be hilarious if God was just being sneaky about it, making you all look like kooks, only to shock the crap out of us later with how reasonable you are.

[rwarn17588]

There's no conspiracy to make fundamentalists look like goofballs. They do that very well on their own.

[sgrizzle]

Putting the FUN in fundamentalism.

[kakie]

Boy, do I agree with you about fundamentalism:

CAIR was started by 3 officials from the Islamic Association of Palestine which was shut down by the federal government for funding terrorism. The founder of IAP was Mousa Marzook - the current Deputy Political Bureau Chief of HAMAS. Marzook was deported and is now deemed a global terrorist by the U.S. Federal Government.

These 3 top officials are still at CAIR

Two of these officials were tape recorded by the FBI planning or attending a meeting with HAMAS.

CAIR has had 4 or 5 of its employees convicted of terrorism related charges.

CAIR's founder and executive director, Nihad Awad, was the IAP's public relations director.

CAIR chairman Omar M. Ahmad, in July 1998 told a crowd of California Muslims, "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . . should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth."

CAIR will not condemn Hamas or Hezbollah terrorist groups.  Hamas is an outgrowth of the Muslim Brotherhood.

The influence of this organization in American will likely be political.  

CAIR is being embraced by the Islamic Society of Greater Oklahoma City and Tulsa.

KKK terror attacks since 9/11?  0 (I did a search and came up with nothing)

Islamic terror attacks (not deaths just attacks) since 9/11:  nearly 10,000

Yes, indeed fundamentalism is deeply troubling.