KU or OU

[cannon_fodder]

After this weekend and their BCS #3 rank could someone please list the top 25 teams that Kansas has beat?  Top 35?  Their highest ranked opponent is #40 Colorado followed by # 44 A&M.  From there it is # 65 Nebraska and down, down down all the way to the worst team in D-I # 119 FIU.  Tulsa has a more quality win beating #36 BYU.

Winning every weak counts for something and they are a clean football team.  But at some point you have to wonder if they can beat good teams or just consistently beat up competition that is having an "off" year.

[Neptune]

I don't know.  They went to Colorado, and beat Colorado, where OU couldn't.  They beat A&M, at A&M.  Which is not easy, you have to be considerably better than A&M to beat them at Kyle Field.

Kansas is very solid, very well coached.  They may not be the strongest team around, but they're not bad either.  Don't know what's going to happen later.  

I'm hoping they keep on winning.  Talk about dream, Kansas in the Nation Championship, I'm all about that.

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

I don't know.  They went to Colorado, and beat Colorado, where OU couldn't.  They beat A&M, at A&M.  Which is not easy, you have to be considerably better than A&M to beat them at Kyle Field.

Kansas is very solid, very well coached.  They may not be the strongest team around, but they're not bad either.  Don't know what's going to happen later.  

I'm hoping they keep on winning.  Talk about dream, Kansas in the Nation Championship, I'm all about that.

OU had what, five turnovers in the game one of them within 20 yds. of the end zone?  How many turn-overs did KU give Colorado?

[Neptune]

Couldn't tell you.  

OU fans might want to make excuses for losing to Colorado, but on that day, Colorado was the better team.  That's always the bottom line.  And OU does get streaky sometimes with the turnovers and penalties, it usually happens when some team gets OU out of it's game.

Kansas, seems to be very clean and crisp.  It's nothing against OU, but Kansas hasn't done that yet.  It's still certainly possible for KU to lose any of the next couple of games.

[cannon_fodder]

No doubt that OU dropped the ball and was appropriately punished for it.  But they then beat #13 Texas and #5 Missouri as well as playing a much tougher out of conference schedule (Tulsa and Miami vs. last place FIU and Central Michigan).

It should be noted that Colorado beating OU has been proven more of a defeat for OU than a victory for the Buffs.  Reference their losses to ISU, MO, and K State.

I guess I have more respect for the team that has been proven capable of beating top caliber opponents but has shown they can really screw up, over a team that has shown it can consistently beat poor teams.  I can't say OU would crush the, but I just have no confidence in an untested team.

[Neptune]

I'm still not sure Kansas will make it to the Championship game.  Mizzou will be tough, and Mizzou wants it pretty bad too.  I like both of them.  I like all of the BigXII.

I wouldn't know who to bet on in the BigXII Championship.

[waterboy]

Well, lets see...Boston College rated #1 after beating who? Southern Florida #1 after beating who? Ohio State #1 after beating supposedly strong teams from weak conference then exposed.

Then there was USC, LSU and Cal all supposedly unbeatable powerhouses and bonafide #1's with tough schedules who lost to lesser teams.

I would surmise that Kansas and Hawaii have as much right to #2 as anyone else.

[bugo]

KU all the way.  I'm not a fan of either team (I'm a Razorback fan) but I'm almost always a fan of the underdog, and KU has sucked it for a long time and OU has been on or near the top for the quite a while, so I'm rooting for the Jayhawks to win the Big 12 as well as the NC.

I went to a KU game in I think it was 2002, and I was on the opposite sideline from the KU team.  I could see Mangino like he was a few feet away.  The guy is HUGE!

[Neptune]

I've always thought, this year, that the BigXII was weak.  But if you guys think the BigXII is great this year, then yeah, absolutely Kansas deserves it.

http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/missouri-tigers.php?message=5042950

The North has won 10 games against the South.  And the South has won 8 games against the North.  That's different.


Kansas 3-0
Colorado 3-0
Mizzou 2-1
Kansas State 2-1
Iowa State 0-3
Nebraska 0-3

OSU 2-1
Texas 2-1
OU 2-1
A&M 1-2
Tech 1-2
Baylor 0-3

[Conan71]

Hey, I think Mangino's done a great job there, they just have not played the same schedule OU has.  Sure OU should have kicked the **** out of Colorado, and might have on a different weekend.  You can't say one team is better than another just because they beat someone the other team lost to it's not a great comparison.

I'd love to see KU and OU play for the championship.  If KU makes it past Mizzou, then they will have certainly earned it and quieted some skeptics.

[Neptune]

The North/South rankings are usually how you gauge strength of the two halves of the conference.  Either the South has gotten worse, or the North has gotten better.  Just a few years ago, everyone in the South went 3-0 versus the North, except Baylor, who went 0-3.  South 15, North 3.  And it was obvious the North was bad.

If the trend holds up, the North and South are much closer to equals now.

[Porky]

The thing that gets me is, I can understand how it's hard to judge between OU, KU and MU. But they will all play each other in some form in the next several weeks. It's that LSU is #1 in the polls, the SEC is a joke this year and for some reason....... they the poll givers are giving credit to their #1 team (LSU) while many Big 12 teams could beat LSU.

I do think that whoever wins the Big 12 Championship will be playing for a national title in the bowl games. And LSU nor Oregon would be able to beat them.

[Neptune]

Well it's hard to gauge how good the BigXII is, the toughest teams they play are in conference.  Someone has to win.  It's not like every team in D-I plays against each other.

And on OU, KU, MU, the favorite has to be OU probably.  Just by history.

KU and MU have never been there before.  OU did play Mizzou, but that was in Norman.  And, home field advantage aside, no one knows how that would turn out a second time.  In fact, if I were OU, the last team I'd want to see in the Championship is Mizzou.  Simply because, it's almost always harder to beat a team the second time around.

Kansas, no one knows.  They've played sharp, had a few good road wins.  But it's hard to tell what their capabilities are.  They haven't had that "big game" so to speak, yet.  Mizzou will be the test.

I see you're pulling for Kansas Porky.  Good for you, they deserve all the support they get.

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

The thing that gets me is, I can understand how it's hard to judge between OU, KU and MU. But they will all play each other in some form in the next several weeks. It's that LSU is #1 in the polls, the SEC is a joke this year and for some reason....... they the poll givers are giving credit to their #1 team (LSU) while many Big 12 teams could beat LSU.

I do think that whoever wins the Big 12 Championship will be playing for a national title in the bowl games. And LSU nor Oregon would be able to beat them.

I agree that the SEC is an unknown quantity, yet LSU is deigned to be superior by the polls. Why? The entire SEC conference only plays 14 non-conference games and probably cream puffs at that. How do we know they are so great when they only play teams they are familiar with? Anyone who saw clips of Tulane pushing around the big boys from LSU and leading in the third quarter, knows they are not superior.

OU has to get by both Tech and OSU just to get the chance to play MO or KU. I said from the start of the season that Tech has the best chance to dump OU. OUr defensive backfield and our offensive line have not gelled. This game is pick'em.

[Neptune]

Yeah, you OU homers were saying that when OU went down and got it handed to them by LSU a few years back.

You were also saying that when you denied undefeated Auburn, only to have OU get destroyed by USC.

The BigXII may be as good as the SEC this year.  Until the BigXII proves it, that's just BS.  That hasn't been the case the last several years.

And who did OU play non conference.  Is it that win against TU, or the win at home against 5-5 Miami that you're claiming is so big?