KU or OU

[Porky]

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

Did you guys see Oregon fall last night?

I think that'll make Kansas #2, unless they're hopped.

My guess is OU will be moving into the #2 slot.

Saying that, KU and/or MU is better than OU but we will have to wait till the Big 12 Championship Game before that becomes a factor.

Tenn will beat LSU, so I'm looking for a Tenn vs KU or MU NCAA Championship Game.

Even though I'm a KU fan, the KU vs MU game will be a toss up. Whoever wins that game will go on to be the National Champ. My money is on KU....

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[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by Porky

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

Did you guys see Oregon fall last night?

I think that'll make Kansas #2, unless they're hopped.

My guess is OU will be moving into the #2 slot.

Saying that, KU and/or MU is better than OU but we will have to wait till the Big 12 Championship Game before that becomes a factor.

Tenn will beat LSU, so I'm looking for a Tenn vs KU or MU NCAA Championship Game.

Even though I'm a KU fan, the KU vs MU game will be a toss up. Whoever wins that game will go on to be the National Champ. My money is on KU....

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Speculation aside, you might note that MU was beaten pretty handily by OU. How can you say that MU is better? Even if MU beats KU, judging by media bias towards coastal conferences, its doubtful they will go to the BS/BCS championship game with a loss to OU. And if OU loses either of their last two conference games, whoever they beat during the season drops a few notches. I wouldn't pin my hopes on MU.

[Neptune]

Well, let's see.  Now that OU lost to Tech...

If OU beats OSU, OU wins the South.

If OU loses to OSU, and Texas beats A&M, Texas wins the South.

If OU loses to OSU, and Texas loses to A&M, OSU/OU/Texas all tie for the South.  I believe OU would go to the BigXII Championship, but I'm not 100% certain, might be Texas because the first eliminator (head to head) eliminates no one.  

quote:What were the pollsters thinking? Or smoking? Oregon was #2 in fantasy land. Their defense was porous and their offense was hapless without their quarterback. How's that for balance? Honestly, the polling this year is more suspect than usual. Might as well contract it out to American Idol.

Kind of like Oklahoma at number 4?  

The PAC10 is cresting, on the downside of an up cycle.  Can't blame the pollsters.  Until the PAC10 implodes, which it is currently in the process of doing, it's a powerful conference.  The BigXII is still slightly down, moving up.  A Mizzou or Kansas sweep to end the year puts the BigXII on top.

PS:  Sorry about Bradford.  But chin up, I do think Halzle (however you spell it) will be solid and well prepared for OSU next week, should Bradford be unable to return.

[Porky]

I think your formula is correct Neptune. OSU is a good team, it'll be interesting to see if OU can come back next week and beat them.

KU looked great yesterday but they'll have to get off that penalty nonsense they did in the first half if they wish to beat MU next weekend.

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by Breadburner

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

Bradford is impressive at home, and against teams like Baylor.  It's on the road that he suffers, like when OU beat lowly Iowa State 17-7, or when they lost to Colorado.  

I think they'll make it through the next two games, not sure.  Tech and OSU are not at their best right now defensively, OSU fields the more conventional defense of the two.  But it's pretty young, lacks depth.

But Bradford's a little bit of a pocket passer.  That's only good if you have a pocket.  And the O is designed to give Bradford the easy stuff, to keep Bradford out of trouble.  He makes mistakes if he has to think or improvise.  I'm sure Tech, OSU, and eventually Kansas or Mizzou, have all taken notice.  And I'd expect somebody to tee-off on him.

That's what happened to Hybl a few years ago.  Except Hybl was smarter, had a better arm, and was maybe a little less mobile.  The later in the season in got, the less likely OU was to win.  Teams figured out that Hybl was as about as much of a runner as FDR.

It helps if you actually watch football games before you comment on the players......

It helps to be a football fan, instead of an OU  Homer.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188934

OU at Tulsa   Bradford: 3 TDs 1 INT
OU at Colorado Bradford: 1 TD 2 INTs
OU at Texas Bradford: 3 TDs 0 INTs
OU at Iowa State:  0 TDs 1 INT
OU at Texas Tech:  0/0 Concussion

Bradford 5 road games:  7 TDs 4 INTs
Bradford 6 (1 remaining) home games:  21 TDs 2 INTs

Non-Conference (4 games): 14 TDs 2 INTs
Big XII (7 of 8 played): 14 TDs 4 INTs  

BigXII on the road: 4 TDs 3 INTs
BigXII at home:  10 TDs 1 INT

If you count Texas and Tulsa as road games, Bradford is inconsistent on the road.  If they don't count as road games, Bradford has performed poorly on the road.

Though maybe you're not arguing home field advantage, and the poor performance of OU away.  Maybe you're arguing Bradford's mobility, which you might not see how right I am about that, until next year.  Unless he comes back soon.

[Neptune]

LSU knocked off.

Texas loses to A&M.  They announced during the final seconds of the game that the only way Texas can play in the BigXII Championship is if: OSU beats OU, and (because of the three-way tie) beats them bad enough to where Texas outranks OU in the final BCS Poll.  

Neither of which is likely to happen.  Bradford's back.  Halzle will be prepared.  I like OU's odds to win.

[Conan71]

LSU didn't see Arkansas coming and I don't think anyone expected OSU to get dismantled like that after OU blew it last week.  

Big win for Arkansas, yet ESPN lists Houston Nutt as one of the coaches "On the hot seat".  Maybe the boosters are finally tired of 11 seasons of 8-4/7-5.

[Neptune]

I actually kind of saw that OSU blow-out coming.  OSU's defense is probably the weakest it's been in a long time.  And that's saying something, OSU has had a few weak defenses.  OSU's offense had to score on basically every possession to keep it competitive.

I was happy with OSU's performance though, overall.  The D even though they were overpowered had some interesting moments, and the O ran up and down the field most of the day.  They just couldn't score.

I thought it was interesting that OU went to more of a power game.  Not sure what that was about.  Maybe nothing, maybe something is not quite right.

Now OSU waits on it's bowl, and OU gets to try and beat Mizzou a second time.  If I were an OU fan, I would much rather being playing Kansas next week.  Always tougher to beat a team the second time around.  And right now, if pressed, I'd have to give Mizzou the edge.  Especially since it's not in Norman.

Fingers crossed for Kansas getting an at-large, praying for a Hawaii victory over the Huskies, and kudos to McFadden.

[Neptune]

http://cbs.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions

CBS Sportsline predicts;

OSU vs Indiana in the Insight Bowl (OSU is allergic to all Big10 teams)
OU vs Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl (assumes Mizzou beating OU)

[Conan71]

I was surprised the final score with OU/OSU was so lop-sided at the end.  I was running around town and listening to the half-time report on the radio, the offensive stats in the first half were damn close, OSU just couldn't score.

I'm real curious to see what happens this Saturday.  If OU stuffs Mizzou, where's that going to put them in the BCS?  I think their title shot is long-gone, WV plays Pittsburgh (4-7), but all the top teams have seen stunning upsets this year.  I really don't care to see Ohio State in the championship game again this year.

Who would have thought after Mizzou lost to OU they'd be sitting atop the BCS going into the Big XII championship game???

[Neptune]

OU would get an automatic BCS bowl bid if they beat Mizzou, but they're too far gone for the BCS Championship.  OU has to jump 7 teams.  Odds are, if Mizzou loses, Kansas would get a BCS at large and Mizzou wouldn't make a BCS bowl.

Ohio State, Georgia, and Kansas, have no more regular season games.

Ohio State is a lock if either Mizzou or West Virginia loses.  If both Mizzou and West Virginia somehow lose, it's mostly likely 2-loss Georgia vs Ohio State.  Kansas would have an extremely outside chance.  Though Kansas needs Mizzou to lose to OU in the most impressively close way possible.  They need the voting polls to have a very good reason to bump Kansas ahead of Georgia.