Veterans groups banned from Veterans Day Parade

[Conan71]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Nice to see a day purposed to celebrate veterans can be degenerated down on this page to attacks on  our government. From now on, for those of you who get the urge to use Veteran's or Memorial Day as a vehicle to criticize, do me a favor and keep it to yourself. I think the majority of us who did serve would rather not read or hear your exercising the free speech rights that have been given to you by veterans on these days.

Amen

[Neptune]

I've served.  And both of you can take your suggestion, and blow it.  I don't care who you think you are, you don't have a monopoly on the Military crowd.

[iplaw]

quote:I've served.

Pancakes at IHOP...

Good post guido.

[Neptune]

I'm sure whatever that dufus said wasn't pleasant.  

Good thing ignore works.

[jamesrage]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

Why should organizers of a parade meant to honor veterans allow a protest group or three to march in the parade?  That really sullies the message of appreciation for vets and active duty.

The anti-war veterans should start their own Veteran's Day observation or parade if it's something they feel strongly about they have the freedom to do that.  Why glom onto someone else's program and stir up ****?

Perhaps the anti-war vets could start a "my recruiter tricked me and told me that the military was not a warfare occupation" or they can start a "I really like the military until I found I could go to war" parade.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Neptune

I've served.  And both of you can take your suggestion, and blow it.  I don't care who you think you are, you don't have a monopoly on the Military crowd.

I never claimed to have a monopoly on anything, because to do so would presume I spoke for an entire class of people. Sorta like you not having a monopoly on the know-it-all, self-involved douchebag crowd. You see, I know you speak for only a segment of that crowd.

[Hometown]

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Ever notice how Tulsa is about 98 percent Military, Church and Football?

Ever notice how San Francisco is about 98% public drug use, rampant STDs and oil spills?

I'm just curious Iplaw, have you ever been in San Francisco?

[Hometown]

I was a candidate for the draft back during Vietnam and the lottery.  The last year of the lottery my number was close but I lucked out.  Before the lottery most of the guys that went were working class.  Middle and Upper class kids got out by going to college and that qualified for a deferral before the lottery.

Serving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada.

Before the war was over I made one of my famous cross country hitch hiking trips and I made friends with another hitch hiker, a military man who was AWOL.  We got stuck in Salt Lake City and stayed there all day and most of a night before we were picked up by some old guys from Arkansas in a truck.  The military man was one of those people you feel like you know very well right away.  We talked and talked and talked.  Before we split up outside of Tulsa, I took his name and number.  I wrote him several times over the years and never got a response.  I still think about this man and hope that things worked out for him.  I've lost his address, can't even remember where he was from.

[iplaw]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

quote:Originally posted by iplaw

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

Ever notice how Tulsa is about 98 percent Military, Church and Football?

Ever notice how San Francisco is about 98% public drug use, rampant STDs and oil spills?

I'm just curious Iplaw, have you ever been in San Francisco?

Yes. Unfortunately, three different times.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Hometown

I was a candidate for the draft back during Vietnam and the lottery.  The last year of the lottery my number was close but I lucked out.  Before the lottery most of the guys that went were working class.  Middle and Upper class kids got out by going to college and that qualified for a deferral before the lottery.

Serving in the military struck me as being a lot like going to prison and if I had been drafted my plan was to go to Canada.

That post makes a person proud to be an American. Anyway, guess that whole, "land of the free, home of the brave" thing never really sunk in did it?

[Ed W]

quote:Originally posted by guido911


That post makes a person proud to be an American. Anyway, guess that whole, "land of the free, home of the brave" thing never really sunk in did it?

Sometimes bravery means standing up against the herd mentality, speaking up with an unpopular opinion, or pointing out that the Emperor is stark naked and barking mad.  Sometimes bravery means going to jail or losing a job because your ideas and opinions don't line up with the prevailing political wind.  

The Bill of Rights concerns the rights of each of us as individuals.  It's about one man, not a majority, not a political party, and certainly not any government this country has ever seen.  It gives each of us the same right to speak our minds.  Let me reiterate that - it's the SAME right.  No one has a superior voice, despite the  right wingnuts attempts to shout down any opposition, or tar their opponents as somehow un-American.  I think their shrill, hate-filled diatribes are wearing thin with the American people.  We can see through their shameful attempts to hang onto power at all costs, throwing away any pretense at decency, fairness, and truth.  

And so it is with this pathetic attempt to silence anti-war vets and hide them away, far away from any public sight.  They must have a very powerful message if the authorities are afraid to allow them to utter it in public.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

quote:Originally posted by guido911


That post makes a person proud to be an American. Anyway, guess that whole, "land of the free, home of the brave" thing never really sunk in did it?

Sometimes bravery means standing up against the herd mentality, speaking up with an unpopular opinion, or pointing out that the Emperor is stark naked and barking mad.  Sometimes bravery means going to jail or losing a job because your ideas and opinions don't line up with the prevailing political wind.  

The Bill of Rights concerns the rights of each of us as individuals.  It's about one man, not a majority, not a political party, and certainly not any government this country has ever seen.  It gives each of us the same right to speak our minds.  Let me reiterate that - it's the SAME right.  No one has a superior voice, despite the  right wingnuts attempts to shout down any opposition, or tar their opponents as somehow un-American.  I think their shrill, hate-filled diatribes are wearing thin with the American people.  We can see through their shameful attempts to hang onto power at all costs, throwing away any pretense at decency, fairness, and truth.  

And so it is with this pathetic attempt to silence anti-war vets and hide them away, far away from any public sight.  They must have a very powerful message if the authorities are afraid to allow them to utter it in public.

Are your remarks in response to my post? Did you  read what my post was in response to or do you somehow find something "brave" about Hometown apparently counting his blessings that he did not have to serve in the military.

[Neptune]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

Sometimes bravery means standing up against the herd mentality, speaking up with an unpopular opinion, or pointing out that the Emperor is stark naked and barking mad.  Sometimes bravery means going to jail or losing a job because your ideas and opinions don't line up with the prevailing political wind.

A Brave man doesn't know he's Brave.  Bravery done out of Pride, is the height of Cowardice.

I'm sure Lao didn't write it, but he should have.

[Ed W]

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Are your remarks in response to my post? Did you  read what my post was in response to or do you somehow find something "brave" about Hometown apparently counting his blessings that he did not have to serve in the military.

I think bravery in this case is speaking up against something that is wrong.  Anyone who does so becomes a target.  Knowing there will be consequences for your actions, yet going ahead with them is another definition of bravery.  

You seem to equate military service with bravery.  That's fine, but it's a very narrow view.  Those anti-war vets undoubtedly showed courage because they knew they'd be an object of scorn and derision by every rightard in the country.

[guido911]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

quote:Originally posted by guido911

Are your remarks in response to my post? Did you  read what my post was in response to or do you somehow find something "brave" about Hometown apparently counting his blessings that he did not have to serve in the military.

I think bravery in this case is speaking up against something that is wrong.  Anyone who does so becomes a target.  Knowing there will be consequences for your actions, yet going ahead with them is another definition of bravery.  

You seem to equate military service with bravery.  That's fine, but it's a very narrow view.  Those anti-war vets undoubtedly showed courage because they knew they'd be an object of scorn and derision by every rightard in the country.

What is your point with respect to what I wrote in response to Hometown. That's what started this. Unless of course you mean we should celebrate the "bravery" of those who gleefully refused to serve their country at a time of war on Veteran's day.

Oh, and stow the "rightard" crap. You sound like Neptune.