Jenks shopping Center's

[buzz words]

How do you feel about jenks, oklahoma getting this massive shopping center?  I read from the kotv that one will be able to shop Jenks online. Source www.Shopjenks.tv

[TheArtist]

What shopping center?

[FOTD]

A Tiffy center.....no doubt Tulsa Hills. Lynn Mitchell won't have enough mullah to bribe tenants once all that infrastructure and stadium stuff gets built....So, the story must be reffering to Tulsa Hills.


You can alreay shop on line....the big boxes are on thin ice. No longer need for massive space as people buy on line and have it shipped. Retailers will serve, like in the old days, as drop off points and show rooms. Warehouses across the country will package and mail to the end buyers. The big box experiment has failed. Besides, it was a real estate play by retailers to make their balance sheets look better than they really were hoisting the asset value much higher than the offsetting liability. And the way the IRS was allowing them to expense leases and other intangible items was similar to S&L funny business....

[inteller]

I smell astroturfing...

[buzz words]

What massive shopping center? Here are some news story's that talk about this Billion Dollar Development that will be done with both private and tif money.

   Here is a video from kotv
http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/news/?id=9872

   This is from the Tulsa World

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070820_1__JENKS28455

I have also read that Jenks is in the process of having a delivery system from every store to the customer's home.  online shopping from all jenks stores to the Jenks residents home.

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by buzz words

What massive shopping center? Here are some news story's that talk about this Billion Dollar Development that will be done with both private and tif money.

   Here is a video from kotv
http://www.kotv.com/e-clips/news/?id=9872

   This is from the Tulsa World

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=070820_1__JENKS28455

I have also read that Jenks is in the process of having a delivery system from every store to the customer's home.  online shopping from all jenks stores to the Jenks residents home.

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[TheArtist]

The River District is not a "shopping center". I think Tulsa Hills is IN Tulsa not Jenks. And who cares if Jenks has a "delivery system" for online shopping. Here its called UPS, FedX, and the US Mail. I can order anything from anywhere in the world. People are still going to go to the River District, the whole point is to go to a nice walkable environment and enjoy yourself, enjoy being around other people, even live and work there. Ordering something online from those stores... well who cares. It would be more cost efficient for say a Nordstroms to send it via their usual warehouse system versus have someone at the Jenks store go to the trouble of packaging and shipping it. Let alone Jenks itself set up a company to pick up and deliver. That sounds absurd.

[buzz words]

"The Artist"

You are correct it isn't a shopping center but there will be a lot of shopping going on in the developed area.  Nordstroms, ups, fedex, etc.. can't get those items to you within 2 hours of ordering them. Gas is going to be 3.50 plus a gallon this summer so an online delivery system sounds really great.  I wonder what the world would be like if "Dominos" "The delivery experts" decided that ups, fedex, etc, would be sufficient enough or if taxi companys would state oh Tulsa is no NewYork that can use public transportation.  "The Artist" We are in the "Baby Booming" age and there is money to be made.  Can you loan me some cash?

[TheArtist]

Yes, please rush my new pair of Jeans so I can sit at home in them. If they are not delivered within the 2 hours do I get the second pair free?

I cant remember the last time I needed something from a store, other than pizza lol, so quickly. If I were in a hurry I would just drive and get it.

How often would it happen in a year that there would be something that I would want to order online that I would want delivered within a day?

Most everything I need is right near me anyway and close to most Tulsans so as not to be a "gas guzzling" experience. This is NOT NY City as you pointed out. There are no long commutes and if there were long drives I bet there would be a delivery charge for whatever you ordered "I need a pair of jeans heavy on the idigo, shoes and a side order of socks,,, and hurry I have a date this evening."

Its easier for me to just go get something if I need it. Say an ink cartrige for my printer... There are Best Buys and such all over the place. No need to order from Jenks. In other words, the stores that would be unique to Jenks wouldn't have anything I would need within a few hours. Everything I can think of that I could need is close enough that I could get it within 20 minutes and not cost hardly anything in gas.

What would be at this new development that anyone would have a need to get within a day? Can you give me an example or two? And can you imagine enough of these examples that would make it worth, starting and setting up a business, hiring and paying drivers "who themselves will apparently be driving miraculous vehicles that dont require the use and cost of gasoline of which cost would then be transferred to the consumer", people to pay the drivers, insurance, coordination with all the various shops to make sure their product lines online were available, available to be pulled off the floor by someone else again apparently for free, etc. etc.

Either there will be an economy of scale with looots of people buying online from these stores in Jenks... Or its gonna cost more and take more time than driving there and getting it yourself.

I think the main reason they are building this development is for it to be a place where people will WANT to go. People can already order online. People want to have places to enjoy going to. "Can you deliver my shopping experience please?" and "add a side of community and that spur of a moment ice cream while your at it?" "Send me a video of that fountain and perhaps the baseball game." "oh and if you run into my friend Suzie give her a big hug and say hello" I am gonna stay at home for the rest of my life, order everything, food, movies, clothing, furniture,,,. and save gas.

Iiiii don think so. People are itching to have nice places to go. But perhaps we should do this for downtown Tulsa? Put lots of shops and stores there then set it up so that nobody needs to go, they can just order whats there. Downtown will be alive and bustling in no time "sarcasm". We could save on maintaining roads, no need for fancy sidewalks, trees, light fixtures, parks, benches etc. Just make some basic large windowless cubes full of stuff for people to order.

I just dont think there is going to be enough of a demand for this to be a big deal or a serious moneymaker for whoever is going to the effort to do all of it. The money is going to be made by setting up shop in the development. The percentage of people buying online would be miniscule.

Can you give me some examples of stores that would do this in this development? Examples of people, products, and situations that would make this a profitable, desired service?

[sgrizzle]

quote:Originally posted by buzz words

"The Artist"

You are correct it isn't a shopping center but there will be a lot of shopping going on in the developed area.  Nordstroms, ups, fedex, etc.. can't get those items to you within 2 hours of ordering them. Gas is going to be 3.50 plus a gallon this summer so an online delivery system sounds really great.  I wonder what the world would be like if "Dominos" "The delivery experts" decided that ups, fedex, etc, would be sufficient enough or if taxi companys would state oh Tulsa is no NewYork that can use public transportation.  "The Artist" We are in the "Baby Booming" age and there is money to be made.  Can you loan me some cash?

While I appreciate your interest in Jenks and your less-than-covert attempt at self promotion,  home delivery is a very rough business to make work. You need either an extremely high volume of customers or extremely wealthy customers and Jenks does not stand out in either way. Not to mention other options like Amazon's new grovery subscription service which allows you to tell them how often you need what items and UPS drops them on your door.

I believe the home delivery aspect would need to be pitched to more high dollar homes and wealthy elderly first to get the business solvent before trying to argue high gas prices for a city only about 5 miles wide.

[RecycleMichael]

I would like a fish sandwich from the cafe at the aquarium.

What is the delivery charge to east Tulsa?

[buzz words]

Thank you for the whipping of wisdom.  So you don't think that Jenks has the income for a delivery system?  The median income in Jenks is $74,000.  The Artist What about that loan?

[buzz words]

So what two types of services could prosper in this area?

[FOTD]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

I would like a fish sandwich from the cafe at the aquarium.

What is the delivery charge to east Tulsa?

You can get that fish sandwich on a rubber beessquit.

A souvenir shop for the fans of the high school football team would be a needed service.....

gas stations to get back and forth from the new Wal Mart, Target and Lowes off 75.....


Bowling?

Nordstroms.....right

[spoonbill]

I love reading this forum early in the morning.   My prediction for the new year:

Jenks will continue to grow and prosper due to entrepreneurial dreamers (Some with good ideas, some with bad).  When a business fails in Jenks, the owner will pout for a very short time and then follow his/her next big dream.

. . . meanwhile Tulsa will continue to atrophy because of boundless negativity, and an almost joyous celebration of doom and gloom that can only be cured by boosting taxes.

Tulsa's lack in the understanding of economic development is almost complete.  The Tulsa Chamber economic development department is filled with people chasing their own "side-businesses", and the rabid tax scheming has begun on the government side.