Signs Gone WILD: Legal or NOT. YOU Decide

[waterboy]

I must be the last one on here to realize you are trying to spur Tulsans into action against stupid, unfocussed, confusing and unjust sign ordinances. While I applaud that, I don't give you much chance of success. Nothing excites Tulsans to action except golf, beer, football and the fair.[] Meanwhile...back to the sofa.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy

I must be the last one on here to realize you are trying to spur Tulsans into action against stupid, unfocussed, confusing and unjust sign ordinances. While I applaud that, I don't give you much chance of success. Nothing excites Tulsans to action except golf, beer, football and the fair.[] Meanwhile...back to the sofa.

Actually, the City is ALREADY on top of it.  3 new sign inspectors hired.  Security van, towing a flat-bed trailer, carrying skid-row types, rolling near Promenade Mall in the a.m.

Inspection group at 111 N. Hartford is also taking and checking complaints on the bench ads too.  It turns out the ads on the benches are UNPERMITED and ILLEGAL.  Some of the bus benches might also be UNPERMITTED too.

Kick 'em while they are DOWN, Sign Nazis!  Post pix of ILLEGAL signs here.  Be sure to include the location.  North Hartford Inspection Group will be checking this post regularly.

[waterboy]

they've already been on top of it for several years now. What you describe is nothing new. Three new inspectors? You think that will cover the upcoming election cycle? Bench signs? Why stop there? The damn bus wraps are obnoxious and park on city property. Go after them too.  Tempest in a teapot.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



they've already been on top of it for several years now. What you describe is nothing new. Three new inspectors? You think that will cover the upcoming election cycle? Bench signs? Why stop there? The damn bus wraps are obnoxious and park on city property. Go after them too.  Tempest in a teapot.

Bus wraps are TRAFFIC.  But, the bus bench ads may be fair game, if they are UNPERMITTED.

[NellieBly]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



they've already been on top of it for several years now. What you describe is nothing new. Three new inspectors? You think that will cover the upcoming election cycle? Bench signs? Why stop there? The damn bus wraps are obnoxious and park on city property. Go after them too.  Tempest in a teapot.

Bus wraps are TRAFFIC.  But, the bus bench ads may be fair game, if they are UNPERMITTED.

Have to disagree, WB. The city has not been on this for the last several years. They have neglected enforcement of their own laws regarding signs for years and years. Ask anyone in the sign business. There has been no oversight for a long time. No inspections, no permitting.

If you think they enhance Tulsa, fine, then ignore them. You stated the signs were a benefit to the community following the storm? Smoke signals would have been more beneficial. The companies who place the signs are taking advantage of the chaos. And really, these are here today gone tomorrow companies with no work history or insurance most likely. I wouldn't hire anyone who puts a sign on a pole.
Need and electrician or a tree trimmer? Get out a phone book or ask a friend for a recommendation. Hire someone off a pole and you are probably going to get ripped off. Lose weight with a staple in your ear. Yeah right.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly
I wouldn't hire anyone who puts a sign on a pole.
Need and electrician or a tree trimmer? Get out a phone book or ask a friend for a recommendation. Hire someone off a pole and you are probably going to get ripped off. Lose weight with a staple in your ear. Yeah right.

If you won't hire someone off a pole, would you VOTE for someone from an illegally placed sign?  Forget it.  Never mind.

[NellieBly]

If that were the case, I could never vote. I appreciate the candidates who try to place them correctly. And I appreciate those that remove them quickly as soon as the election is over. I have called campaigns to complain about signs.

[intheclouds]

quote:Originally posted by Conan71

quote:Originally posted by FOTD

Saw the promo and switched the channel.
Is local news so pathetic they have to resort to this type journalism? Too bad there wasn't a storm over NW Arkansas.....

Time for KOTV to really shake it up and crash a helicopter on a low pass at Pogue Airport or something like that. (non-injury, of course) []

do you really have to go there?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by NellieBly

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

quote:Originally posted by waterboy



they've already been on top of it for several years now. What you describe is nothing new. Three new inspectors? You think that will cover the upcoming election cycle? Bench signs? Why stop there? The damn bus wraps are obnoxious and park on city property. Go after them too.  Tempest in a teapot.

Bus wraps are TRAFFIC.  But, the bus bench ads may be fair game, if they are UNPERMITTED.

Have to disagree, WB. The city has not been on this for the last several years. They have neglected enforcement of their own laws regarding signs for years and years. Ask anyone in the sign business. There has been no oversight for a long time. No inspections, no permitting.

If you think they enhance Tulsa, fine, then ignore them. You stated the signs were a benefit to the community following the storm? Smoke signals would have been more beneficial. The companies who place the signs are taking advantage of the chaos. And really, these are here today gone tomorrow companies with no work history or insurance most likely. I wouldn't hire anyone who puts a sign on a pole.
Need and electrician or a tree trimmer? Get out a phone book or ask a friend for a recommendation. Hire someone off a pole and you are probably going to get ripped off. Lose weight with a staple in your ear. Yeah right.

I do ignore them but make no judgement as to their enhancement value. We'll just have to disagree. The sign crews are not new. I saw the van with workers picking up signs at least two years ago and even read about them on this forum. As far as hiring crews for tree work, surely you don't think the integrity of yellow pages advertisers is exemplary. Many of them are also uninsured and only paid enough down to have their ads printed. Even responsible businesses use push in signs from my experience and lose weight scams are everywhere including tv, radio and print.

I just can't get too excited about push in sign abuse when corporates are abusing the hell out of the ordinances with LED's and flashing lights. Go after them first, then harrass the bus signs.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
I just can't get too excited about push in sign abuse when corporates are abusing the hell out of the ordinances with LED's and flashing lights. Go after them first, then harrass the bus signs.

EVERYBODY abuses the sign ordinance.  Ya think some of those Tulsa Transit bench ads might be UN-permitted?  Naaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Wouldn't you abuse the law too, if all the punishment you gonna get is just a chance to pick up your sign at City sign storage?

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
I just can't get too excited about push in sign abuse when corporates are abusing the hell out of the ordinances with LED's and flashing lights. Go after them first, then harrass the bus signs.

EVERYBODY abuses the sign ordinance.  Ya think some of those Tulsa Transit bench ads might be UN-permitted?  Naaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Wouldn't you abuse the law too, if all the punishment you gonna get is just a chance to pick up your sign at City sign storage?

Then go after some of the big abusers instead of tree trimmers and garage sale signs. Go get WalGreens and Creek Nation Casino.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
Then go after some of the big abusers instead of tree trimmers and garage sale signs. Go get WalGreens and Creek Nation Casino.

Where have ya been, boy?  It's a whole lot easier to step on the little guy first.  Going after the big guys blows through more BILLABLE hours.  Have you EVER been on the business end of the LEGAL department of a Walgreens?  

Never mind the casino.  I can't imagine the situation would be a whole lotta fun for a punk gub'mint legal chiwi, like Deidre, going up against a private PIT bull.   But, then again, it would probably get outsource.  GIT A GRIP, child.  

No wonder you lost it with the air boat rides.  It was a great idea.  But, you KNEW you were eventually gonna get step on like a cochroach crossing the BORDER.[]

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
Then go after some of the big abusers instead of tree trimmers and garage sale signs. Go get WalGreens and Creek Nation Casino.

Where have ya been, boy?  It's a whole lot easier to step on the little guy first.  Going after the big guys blows through more BILLABLE hours.  Have you EVER been on the business end of the LEGAL department of a Walgreens?  

Never mind the casino.  I can't imagine the situation would be a whole lotta fun for a punk gub'mint legal chiwi, like Deidre, going up against a private PIT bull.   But, then again, it would probably get outsource.  GIT A GRIP, child.  

No wonder you lost it with the air boat rides.  It was a great idea.  But, you KNEW you were eventually gonna get step on like a cochroach crossing the BORDER.[]

That's depressing logic. Sort of like a fisherman going after bait fish for dinner with a seine net because its easier than catching the largemouth bass. You should note that a local coffee house, DoubleShot, did quite well in a legal tussle against the giant Starbucks within the last year.

Apparently you're someone who knows me. That was a cheap shot you took. No, I didn't think I would get stepped on like a cockroach. That naivete cost me plenty. How it relates here sort of eludes me.

But then you must know I'm only half assed interested in this whole topic. I know the signs are tacky and bothersome. I just get tired of seeing the least able to defend themselves get attacked by people further up the ladder, because its easier than doing the right thing.

I don't know what a chiwi lawyer is, but I met Deidre when our kids played ball together. She was smart, attractive, personable and pragmatic. Hard to find those characteristics in a lawyer.

[tulsasignnazi]

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
That's depressing logic. Sort of like a fisherman going after bait fish for dinner with a seine net because its easier than catching the largemouth bass. You should note that a local coffee house, DoubleShot, did quite well in a legal tussle against the giant Starbucks within the last year.

Apparently you're someone who knows me. That was a cheap shot you took. No, I didn't think I would get stepped on like a cockroach. That naivete cost me plenty. How it relates here sort of eludes me.

But then you must know I'm only half assed interested in this whole topic. I know the signs are tacky and bothersome. I just get tired of seeing the least able to defend themselves get attacked by people further up the ladder, because its easier than doing the right thing.

I don't know what a chiwi lawyer is, but I met Deidre when our kids played ball together. She was smart, attractive, personable and pragmatic. Hard to find those characteristics in a lawyer.

Well, boy, try taking a few deep breaths, and letting loose your inner black guy busted-for-walking-on-the WRONG-side-of-the-road.  You'll get the picture.

I know your story well enough to understand you got the shaft where the sun DON'T shine.  The big boyz in this crapola town have a well-honed habit of squelching ANYTHING that don't quite fit THEIR program.

Oh, no doubt Deidre is a VERY able attorney.  But, she bills 300 per, at least.  There's NOT enough paralegals in her office to take on the likes of Creek Nation.  They'll bring out the BIG guns, like Doerner Saunders and FLATTEN her like jew on Kristalnicht.  Chiwi lawyer v. PIT bull.

If you are so tired of the little guy getting stepped on all the time, you would do well in Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory.  Benvenidos a America, amigo!

Every now and then, some wise guy like D-Shot might see the daylight of the GREAT American IN-justice system.  Charred-bucks threw Brian a BONE.  Some genius paralegal did a cost/benefit analysis.  But, you KNOW the drill.  Sorry to pop your nice little BUBBLE.

Kick 'em while they down, Sign NAZIs!!![]

[waterboy]

quote:Originally posted by tulsasignnazi

quote:Originally posted by waterboy
That's depressing logic. Sort of like a fisherman going after bait fish for dinner with a seine net because its easier than catching the largemouth bass. You should note that a local coffee house, DoubleShot, did quite well in a legal tussle against the giant Starbucks within the last year.

Apparently you're someone who knows me. That was a cheap shot you took. No, I didn't think I would get stepped on like a cockroach. That naivete cost me plenty. How it relates here sort of eludes me.

But then you must know I'm only half assed interested in this whole topic. I know the signs are tacky and bothersome. I just get tired of seeing the least able to defend themselves get attacked by people further up the ladder, because its easier than doing the right thing.

I don't know what a chiwi lawyer is, but I met Deidre when our kids played ball together. She was smart, attractive, personable and pragmatic. Hard to find those characteristics in a lawyer.

Well, boy, try taking a few deep breaths, and letting loose your inner black guy busted-for-walking-on-the WRONG-side-of-the-road.  You'll get the picture.

I know your story well enough to understand you got the shaft where the sun DON'T shine.  The big boyz in this crapola town have a well-honed habit of squelching ANYTHING that don't quite fit THEIR program.

Oh, no doubt Deidre is a VERY able attorney.  But, she bills 300 per, at least.  There's NOT enough paralegals in her office to take on the likes of Creek Nation.  They'll bring out the BIG guns, like Doerner Saunders and FLATTEN her like jew on Kristalnicht.  Chiwi lawyer v. PIT bull.

If you are so tired of the little guy getting stepped on all the time, you would do well in Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory.  Benvenidos a America, amigo!

Every now and then, some wise guy like D-Shot might see the daylight of the GREAT American IN-justice system.  Charred-bucks threw Brian a BONE.  Some genius paralegal did a cost/benefit analysis.  But, you KNOW the drill.  Sorry to pop your nice little BUBBLE.

Kick 'em while they down, Sign NAZIs!!![]

Hmmm. Very enigmatic. My deep breaths are about to force a loss of consciousness. Before I pass out from reality exposure, I should say I have no bubbles left to pop. Lets just say, I could have done better with my idea but just being me, got in the way. Did you ever ride upstream with me?

Meanwhile I made a conscious effort to see how many probable illegal signs I could see today on my morning route which takes me from midtown via expressways to 101st & Yale. Major streets from 81st to 117th from Yale to 169. Pretty nice neighborhoods with not much easement but lots of traffic exposure. No more than a dozen in the 40 or so miles ending up at 169 & 81st. They included realtor signs, apartment complex signs, garage sale.com (new one), open house signs, a church banner, for lease signs, baseball sign ups and an evangelical end times seminar sign. All push ins and all most likely illegal. But they didn't seem too abusive in number or style and in fact it was  hard to pick most of them out.

Perhaps some hoods closer to town have it worse?