Communistulsans embrace Nanny State

[tim huntzinger]

I just want to give a shout out to all you closet socialists who are too lazy and stoopid to remove your own tree debris.  Every pile lining our streets is testimony to a deep-seated belief that, when pusch comes to shove, we need, we WANT, the Nanny State - big-bad gubnmint - to come in and clean up our messes.  That $30M was a gift from the Money Tree Fairies! And them trucks are not from South Carolina, they are from Santa Clause's North Pole! []

And some Magickal Day the Tooth Fairy will bring us allll Universal Health Care!

[inteller]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

I just want to give a shout out to all you closet socialists who are too lazy and stoopid to remove your own tree debris.  Every pile lining our streets is testimony to a deep-seated belief that, when pusch comes to shove, we need, we WANT, the Nanny State - big-bad gubnmint - to come in and clean up our messes.  That $30M was a gift from the Money Tree Fairies! And them trucks are not from South Carolina, they are from Santa Clause's North Pole! []

And some Magickal Day the Tooth Fairy will bring us allll Universal Health Care!

hey, if they would take the capitalist approach that Broken Arrow does and issue temporary burn permits I'd take care of them myself.  But this communist city created this mess a long time ago by only allowing you to dump debris at certain locations (which they have now closed).

Most Tulans would like to do the right thing, but the city gubmint has already foisted those attempts.

[TeeDub]

I just want to finally get something for all my tax dollars.

And if I have to wait until February, I will.

[Ibanez]

quote:Originally posted by inteller

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

I just want to give a shout out to all you closet socialists who are too lazy and stoopid to remove your own tree debris.  Every pile lining our streets is testimony to a deep-seated belief that, when pusch comes to shove, we need, we WANT, the Nanny State - big-bad gubnmint - to come in and clean up our messes.  That $30M was a gift from the Money Tree Fairies! And them trucks are not from South Carolina, they are from Santa Clause's North Pole! []

And some Magickal Day the Tooth Fairy will bring us allll Universal Health Care!

hey, if they would take the capitalist approach that Broken Arrow does and issue temporary burn permits I'd take care of them myself.  But this communist city created this mess a long time ago by only allowing you to dump debris at certain locations (which they have now closed).

Most Tulans would like to do the right thing, but the city gubmint has already foisted those attempts.

What he said...

[cannon_fodder]

+1.

Well that and Tim, there is a matter of nuisance , federal government, as well as scale involved here.

The city can contract out to have all the trees cleared for $3.5 million and pass that tax burden on irrespective of actual cost.  I have a very small amount of debris.  However, contracting someone to pick it up would still cost a certain minimum amount of money - far in excess of my $10 pro-rata share  of the cleanup.

What's more, if the city did not address this problem it would go unresolved for many YEARS.  Certain neighbors would never clean up their debris until neighbors complained to the city of violations of ordinances, at which point it would cost the city and tax payers $3.5mil in enforcement actions to keep the city within its own codes.  The cleanup provides a timely manner for everyone to get their act together.

and what's more, in line with the "they made the rules" criteria above, in order to get Federal money to assist in the cleanup we have to contract centrally for many services.  Since the Federal government ALREADY took the money out of our community we have to play ball to get it back.  

If they did not extract excess taxes for pet projects from Tulsa, Tulsa did not dictate the disposal terms, and one could assume people would dutifully take care of their own property - then I'd be MORE than happy to do it my damn self.  Such is not the case, and it has become the domain of government to facilitate such cleanup.
- - -

Actually, while we are at it.  It has always been the domain of government.  Ancient Rome cleaned up after disasters.  The fire of London.  The great Quake in San Francisco. The Chicago Fire, and on.

Even more importantly, this is NOT the Nanny State acting.  It is our local government.  At the local level I am a supporter of government action.  That's why I want a smaller federal government, so the state and the local can decide what the community needs and what should remain as a right/responsibility of the people.

If the City of Tulsa came up with a health care plan for all Citizens that worked AND saved everyone money, I'd be all over it.

[rwarn17588]

I don't have a problem with government taking a role in cleanup when you have large-scale disasters such as this one.

Face it: There are enough poor people in town that the debris would simply be there forever if someone else doesn't pick it up. In a fairly short time, those piles of limbs and twigs would become a fire, health and safety hazard.

This is a case where the government takes a role because it's for the very obvious greater good.

That free market stuff sounds good most of the time. But when you have hundreds of thousands of people in a pickle through no fault of their own, then it's not so hot.

To me, it's no different than a little bit of tax money from each person being used for such "socialist" services such as water, sanitation, fire departments and highways. Those are things in which a little tax money reaps big and palpable benefits for everyone.

If you think it's "communist" or "socialist" or whatever, then don't use water, sewer and highways and see how great "free market" life can be.

[spoonbill]

Well I think we missed a golden opportunity.  

We should have piled all of the debris in center of the arkansas river, forming several large islands.  We could then build hotels, restaurants, and massage parlors on those islands.

But wait. . . there's more. . . When development on the islands slows because of Tulsa city politics, we could float the islands down stream and make them part of the Jenks river project.

I call it "The Bradford Pear Channels Project."

[RecycleMichael]

Spoonbill always wanted to be a beaver.

[spoonbill]

quote:Originally posted by RecycleMichael

Spoonbill always wanted to be a beaver.

I am easily inspired!

[waterboy]

Comrades, I have been billing the city for the shade my trees provide their workers, the sanitation jobs they provide when I bag the leaves, and the overall increase of value to the city that my trees have made to our cosmopolitan flavor. As of yet there is no response.

[cannon_fodder]

Well surely your newfound wealth will treat TulsaNow to drinks at the Colony sometime?  I can only assume.

[Ed W]

Fran Drescher - the nanny - is gonna embrace me?  I can hardly wait.

Seriously, though, it's really a PITA that we have to wait for government to step in and try to set things right.  Why, if people only had the ambition and drive, they'd be out on the streets fixing their own potholes, rebuilding bridges, arresting, trying, and executing lawbreakers, and doing all those other things our less efficient government cannot do.  Why wait for Bush to decide on invading Iran?  We could send a bunch of good-old-boys in pickups armed with deer rifles!  That'll show 'em!

[FOTD]

I had to have my damage hauled off at my own free will by almighty dollar.

It's a shame even in Natural disasters the states must campaign for relief reimbursements from the Feds. Where are all those illegals (politicians and immigrants)when they're needed?
Many citizens do not see where their tax dollars are going. Iraq? Military? Entitlements? Out of sight and out of mind. So they want to "see" tangible evidence that they are entitled to much more than they are witnessing. In sight, clear out my tax account and never mind Medicare and social security. This is immediate satisfaction for angry taxpayers.

However, there is some justice for the middle and lower income groups who need a hand up from a knock down winter storm.

[rockyfrisco]

quote:Originally posted by Ed W

Fran Drescher - the nanny - is gonna embrace me?  I can hardly wait.

Seriously, though, it's really a PITA that we have to wait for government to step in and try to set things right.  Why, if people only had the ambition and drive, they'd be out on the streets fixing their own potholes, rebuilding bridges, arresting, trying, and executing lawbreakers, and doing all those other things our less efficient government cannot do.  Why wait for Bush to decide on invading Iran?  We could send a bunch of good-old-boys in pickups armed with deer rifles!  That'll show 'em!

Naw, send 'em to Washington D. C.

[rockyfrisco]

quote:Originally posted by tim huntzinger

I just want to give a shout out to all you closet socialists who are too lazy and stoopid to remove your own tree debris.  Every pile lining our streets is testimony to a deep-seated belief that, when pusch comes to shove, we need, we WANT, the Nanny State - big-bad gubnmint - to come in and clean up our messes.  That $30M was a gift from the Money Tree Fairies! And them trucks are not from South Carolina, they are from Santa Clause's North Pole! []

And some Magickal Day the Tooth Fairy will bring us allll Universal Health Care!

Are you planning to refuse your Social Security?

Just curious.